20 Auto Dialer Leads Versus 20 Mailer Leads

5pill · 04-21-2009, 04:00 PM

If you bought 20 auto dialer leads, (for about the same price as a mailer, $400 , etc.), [COLOR=black][COLOR=red]and the script is a good script, not some old junky generic one, but to the point, where they can respond by leaving a positive/negative message, and you only get the positive messages as a lead[/COLOR], (not many dialers out there like this, I know)..[/COLOR]..I have a couple questions.

After you call them, how many appointments could you set?
How many will you write?

How would the 20 ADL's compare to the 10 to 20 mail cards you would get back after a couple of weeks of waiting?

How many appointments could you set?
How many will you write?

It seems to me that AD leads are fresh on their mind, and mailers have slipped their mind after 2 or 3 weeks of waiting for them to come back.

Where will you spend your $400?

myinsurebiz · 04-21-2009, 04:26 PM

For $400 you better get more than 20 Dialer Leads.

Also - come 9/09 Dialer Leads from residential consumers will bankrupt you based on the fines you may receive.

Direct Mail Leads are much stronger than Dialer leads - but also more expensive and the campaign is harder / lengthier to implement.

Either way you go - you need to get at least a 4 to 1 if not greater ROI - some people average 6 or 7 to 1 . . . I guess it depends on your commission %.

On Dialer Leads - I have a system that will get you 8 to 10 qualified leads for about $140. You could pay someone $7 / $8 an hour to pre-screen these for you and turn them into a much hotter lead.

Good luck,

Tom

eza4short · 04-21-2009, 07:28 PM

[quote=myinsurebiz;153127]For $400 you better get more than 20 Dialer Leads.

Also - come 9/09 Dialer Leads from residential consumers will bankrupt you based on the fines you may receive.

I'm am a bit curious to know if that is the predictive dialer that will be band or is it just the autodialer or both?

jjjtrio · 04-21-2009, 10:56 PM

It's the prerecorded message used with voice broadcast that will be illegal. B2B will not change.

myinsurebiz · 04-22-2009, 10:13 AM

Residential calls will be subject to the ban if that specific consumer didn't "opt in" to receive your non-human automated message.

FYI - since the recent rash of Autodialer to businesses from the IbuzzPro group - there is presently a lobbying effort to also include businesses in the auto dialer ban. However - it may be years before that happens . . .

Tom

Texas Insurance Guy · 04-22-2009, 01:29 PM

Maybe the government can also implement a ban of all TV commercials soon..i mean they do annoy consumers right? That would be another brilliant move to cut off a huge income stream in this economy. They need to rethink their position on dialers and the new laws. A lot of revenue in this econonmy with dialers

myinsurebiz · 04-22-2009, 02:01 PM

Even though I market a "dialer" program - I understand peoples agitation with these things. On one of my business lines I bet I get 3 calls a day from a dialer. Everything from Insurance (funny), warranties, credit cards, etc.

I have some fun with it . . .

Tom

Originally Posted by Texas Insurance Guy

Maybe the government can also implement a ban of all TV commercials soon..i mean they do annoy consumers right? That would be another brilliant move to cut off a huge income stream in this economy. They need to rethink their position on dialers and the new laws. A lot of revenue in this econonmy with dialers

Texas Insurance Guy · 04-22-2009, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by myinsurebiz

Even though I market a "dialer" program - I understand peoples agitation with these things. On one of my business lines I bet I get 3 calls a day from a dialer. Everything from Insurance (funny), warranties, credit cards, etc.

I have some fun with it . . .

Tom

They annoy all of us, i do not enjoy getting the calls either. My point is that with so much money flowing from them into the economy you would think they could find a happy medium. DNC list for consumers should be enough in my opinion, enforce fines and come up with a rule for calling businesses..

djs · 04-22-2009, 02:44 PM

Personally, you can eliminate the do not call list before you eliminate the ban on those robotic dialers....

The problem is, if you allow dialers to run rampant, it's an easy way for people to make LOTS of phone calls. Then you have LOTS of people making LOTS of phone calls, my phone rings off the hook.

When you have to put a human on the other end of the phone, there is a real expense. While I still don't like telemarketing calls, I can appreciate the fact its an attempt at an honest living.

A real story.....
One time a telemarketer called me. I let him run his pitch, told him I wasn't interested. He tried to overcome my objection, I told him I still wasn't interested. He restated the benefits, and I told him I still wasn't interested. This went on for about 5 rounds, and finally I asked him how much further to the end of his script. He replied there was no end, he goes on till I hang up (yes, he said that). I said we'll be here for a while because I'm not buying, but I was taught it was rude to hang up on someone. He politely chuckled and said goodbye.

He had caught me at a moment I had time to waste.

Dan

LukeJohnson · 05-18-2009, 12:13 PM

Does this ban 09/09 also include live transfer calls or is it only for voice broadcast calls?

myinsurebiz · 05-20-2009, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by LukeJohnson

Does this ban 09/09 also include live transfer calls or is it only for voice broadcast calls?

The rule as been enforce since 2004 - they are just going to start enforcing it.

For any contact without a human making the call.

Predictive Dialers will be ok - provided that a human answers when the consumer says hello AND if the caller complies with the other FCC rules like dropped call %, etc.

Tom

djs · 05-20-2009, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by myinsurebiz

The rule as been enforce since 2004 - they are just going to start enforcing it.

For any contact without a human making the call.

I don't believe this is true. I think the robo-calls are still allowed for existing business relationships for things like appointment reminders, status updates, etc. Just not for cold-calling.

I only want to point this difference out because you will see this everywhere. You'll probably still get these calls. They just shouldn't be the initial sales call.

Dan

myinsurebiz · 05-20-2009, 03:14 PM

Dan,

The rule is pretty cut and dry.

To consumers - autoblasting will only be good if they have a prior relationship, the consumer has opted-in, is a nonprofit, political, etc - no telemarketing.

A doctor can use it for appointment reminders, etc.

DooDab Cleaners can't use it to solicit new business, etc

theinsuranceman · 05-20-2009, 07:31 PM

This forum id the only place where I see auto dialers not allowed after Sept.9. Nothing on google, yahoo, or the news. Is this just a rumor that has gone wild? Where else has anyone seen this info posted?
Read the last paragraph of the following info:

Federal

Register/Vol. 68, No. 19/Wednesday, January 29, 2003/Rules and Regulations 4679

civilized men"). In the context of

telemarketing, there is an inherent

tension between this right and the First
Amendment's right to free speech. With
this in mind, and in light of the
rulemaking record as a whole, the
Commission has determined to establish
a national do-not-call registry. This will
enable consumers to stop certain
telemarketing calls — calls to induce the
purchase of goods and services from
companies within the FTC's jurisdiction
(except where the consumer has an
"established business relationship"
with the seller).
Al&ough the USA PATRIOT Act of
2001 gave the Commission authority to
regulate for-profit companies that make
telephone calls seeking charitable
donations on behalf of charities, the
Commission has determined to exempt
these entities from the national do-notcall
registry requirements. Instead, the
Commission requires these
telemarketers to comply with the
"entity-specific" do-not-call provision,
which prohibits them from calling
consumers who have said they do not
want to be called by or on behalf of a
particular entity. This more narrowly
tailored approach seeks to protect
consumers from unwanted
telemarketing calls seeking charitable
donations, while minimizing the impact
of the TSR on charities' First
Amendment rights. I do not object to
taking this approach at the outset; but if
there is evidence that suggests that this
approach is not effective in protecting
consumers from unsolicited
telemarketing calls, the Commission
should revisit this decision and require
for-profit telemarketers seeking
charitable donations to comply with the
national do-not-call registry.
While I believe that the amended TSR
and the national do-not-call registry will
go a long way to help consumers
prevent unwanted intrusions into their
homes, a number of entities are not
subject to the TSR's requirements.

Under the Telemarketing Act and the
TSR, the Commission does not have
jurisdiction in whole or in part over the
calls of entities such as banks, telephone
companies, airlines, insurance
companies, credit unions, charities,
political campaigns, and political fundraisers.
From the perspective of
consumers, the right to be let alone is
invaded just as much by unwanted calls
from exempt entities (e.g., banks,
telephone companies, or political fundraisers)
as it is by such calls from
covered entities.

3 Therefore, I believe
that the entire spectrum of entities that

make telemarketing calls to consumers

should be subject to do-not-call
requirements.

[FR Doc. 03-1811 Filed 1-28-03; 8:45 am]

BILLING CODE 6750-01-S
3

The Federal Communications Commission,
however, has requested comment on whether to

establish a national do-not-call registry that would

address telemarketing calls by at least some of the
entities that are exempt from the FTC's jurisdiction.

Notice of Proposed Rulemaking,

Rules and

Regulations Implementing the Telephone Consumer

Protection Act of 1991, 67 FR 62667 (Oct. 8, 2002).

jimsthename · 06-11-2009, 09:51 PM

Ban is real.

FTC Issues Final Telemarketing Sales Rule Amendments Regarding Prerecorded Calls

myinsurebiz · 06-12-2009, 01:56 PM

Not only is it real - the FTC will be going out of their way to make examples out of several peeps they can catch in each State to show their seriousness.

Get ready for an amendment towards businesses next Spring as well if they are successful in Sept . . .

Tom

dialtel · 09-11-2009, 08:07 AM

It is illegal for you guys to use dialers. Dont try to justify it. Its illegal. If you are a politician it is not illegal. Funny how that works. I do UK and Canada now because of this stupid law.
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Luke. It includes transfers also. As soon as 2 seconds passed from the pre recorded message it is illegal. Use a predictive dialer instead.