They can see for themselves that our fearless leader is having second thoughts about the war that HE SAID we should be fighting.
He's "thinking" about the options. The terrorists smell fear. They smell a Lyndon Johnson / Vietnam scenario and they are ratcheting up their attacks hoping to push the political situation over the edge.
Their tactics may work because Obama was as opposed to the Afghanistan war as he was the Iraq war, he just couldn't tell the truth to the American people and also get elected.
Now that he's the President, he is relying upon his military experience to guide him.
That's right, he has no military experience.
So in the absence of having any miltary experience, he is letting his generals guide him.
That's right, he has no time to talk to his generals.
Given the fact that Obama lacks the will or experience to fight, and is more willing to be guided by the left than his generals, I suggest that we get the he!! out of Afghanistan. Obama can become a hero to the left, the rest of us will have our concerns confirmed.
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Thank you for seconding my notion.
Although I think I was after Rick.
Stop the dithering, bring them home NOW.
I did like the report, though, that after this horrible bombing in Iraq this weekend, that the people were mad at the government - that is, their OWN government.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bill
Thank you for seconding my notion.
Although I think I was after Rick.
Stop the dithering, bring them home NOW.
I did like the report, though, that after this horrible bombing in Iraq this weekend, that the people were mad at the government - that is, their OWN government.
Let the record show that I have stated the same but through a different reasoning. I am willing to maintain troops if the europeans and Canadians collectively are willing to participate at the same level as the Americans, which they are not. So I would bring them home.
Also, I am not of the same mind as the libs who think they can be love-bombed or America just needs to sweet-talk the terrorists, nor am I of the same mind as the libertarians who are non-interventionists. I am, instead, concerned, that we dont have enough troops to get bogged down in Iraq and Afg and still smack Russia, Iran, Venezuala, North Korea et al. as needed. Not looking to replay any philosophical differences, just saying I arrive at the same point. Interestingly the coalition of the like-minded includes the far left as well.
There is lot there for Lyndon Baines Obama to think about.
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I say reduce the forces and change the strategy to more intelligence and special ops based. But what surprises me is all the sudden Conservatives want to Cut and Run? when will the double standard and hypocracy end? You guys wonder why your party is shrinking its because you guys are unstable maniacs.
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Originally Posted by AgentOrange
I say reduce the forces and change the strategy to more intelligence and special ops based. But what surprises me is all the sudden Conservatives want to Cut and Run? when will the double standard and hypocracy end? You guys wonder why your party is shrinking its because you guys are unstable maniacs.
More interesting is the way that you and libs are beginning to walk and talk like George Bush now that you actually have responsibilities. Since when would winding down the longest war in American history be considered cutting and running. Is Obama planning on making Afg the 58th state? As in Iraq, there could have been a precipitous withdrawal that would equate to a dangerous cutting and running and we can agree that that had to be avoided but that nevertheless a timetable established. Now you libs are arguing that there can never be a time that we can withdraw without it being a cut and run scenario. Lean over and give Dick Cheney a big wet kiss because he loves you more than the dem base does now.
And regard to the hypocrisy and shrinking party, the dems need to ask themselves about the hypocrisy of supporting a build-up in Afg given Obama's anti-war platform and given the years of crticism for Bush in regard to anything that involved the military.
But never mind about the conservatives or the libertarians. If you can work it all out with the democratic base and General McCrystal and Patreaus, then go for it. Just like the health reform issue.
Also in regard to your recommendation to use more intelligence and special ops, consider the following: 1)That was exactly the recommendation in the report that the Bush Administration gave to the Obama administration. 2) Obama chose to stay with Gates, a Bush appointee 3) Obama hand-picked McCrystal a special-ops, anti-terrorist expert versus just a boots on the ground type. Nevertheless McCrystal is saying that we need another 40,000 more or less.
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That's why we have freedom of thought as well as expression, to let you think whatever crazy, foolish things you want, and then be able to shout it out from the rooftops, AO!
For me, I believe that we have an empty suit in an office that actually means something, and needs to be able to make decisions beyond which group of 3rd graders should I visit with today, and what time is my basketball game, and hey, isn't there some sort of fundraising event I can take TOTUS to, or hey, that is some hot Latina woman I can groove with.
Last I heard there was some sort of conflict going on in another part of the world, maybe I'm wrong, or at least, according to this empty suit, if I ignore the problem long enough, it will take care of itself.
No, I don't think that's correct. I think there are acutally real, volunteer military troops over there in Afghanistan. Rome is burning, and the empty suit POTUS is "contemplating", perhaps until George Soros or Bill Ayers tells him what to do.
Therefore, TODAY, pull ALL of the troops out of Afghanistan. If the empty suit POTUS changes his mind and decides to send troops back, well, we'll see about that. But to do nothing but dither?
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I am FOR giving the generals what they need to win in Afghanistan. If we withdraw, we lose. If we lose, then Afghanistan will go back to what it was - ONLY WORSE. And then it is only a matter of time before a terrorist group, trained and funded from bases in Afghanistan, will launch a new terror attacks on the U.S. and our people will die in our own country. You remember this don't you:
In the minds of liberals that is just a necessary sacrifice to appease our enemies.
And withdrawal will be a huge morale booster to Muslim terrorists everywhere. You too can defeat the great Satan.
And that is to say nothing about all the people in Afghanistan, who cooperated with the U.S., who will end up dead as a result. But millions of dead in Indochina, as a result of withdrawal from Vietnam, was of no concern to liberals or the media. The following are South Vietnamese alone:
And should we elect to fight any war in the next quarter of a century, we can count on none of the civilian population to assist us because they will know that when it gets tough, the U.S. just cuts and runs.
And it will be the cut and run crowd, lead by fearless leader Obama, who will be completely responsible.
Not me, I say we fight it properly and win. Semper fi; git er done.
But if we are going to dither, then withdraw, then git er done; semper fi be darned.
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I dont believe in a build up, there is a debate about build up, but Pres Obama has not OK'd a build up. Most Libs are not OK with a build up, I just advocated reducing forces.
Some dems are supporting a build up, thats true. Joe lieberman mainly and Pres Obama is considering it, but dont think its a done deal at all. You need to come back to reality.
Is Obama planning on making Afg the 58th state? -Very Funny!!! Bravo.
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But you know, in a way, is his specific resignation important? In the grander scheme of things? I'd already read it, but I think until we get some folks higher up the food chain, it will attach no meaning.
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Originally Posted by AgentOrange
Seems like Mr Hoh and I agree. Thanks RB, when did you become a liberal? Welcome to the good side.
Interesting that you libs are beginning to define liberals as ones who are taking a position different than Obama's. (yes, I know he has not made a decision yet, etc. First of all, not so. He sent 30,000 troops in January. Second of all, he will send more troops but something less than what McCrystal wants because he can't make a decision and will split the loaf so that both sides will still love him and they will both end out hating him. Also now that he is Mr. Nobel Peace Prize he has to tone down the military build up impetus. Works out fine unless you are soldier in Afg looking for back-up troops to arrive).
As discussed many times long ago, President Obama will eventually be cannabalized by both the right and the left. He is well on his way. How are the gay rights, giitmo, health reform, negotiating wiith North Korea/Iran, and getting the Europeans to pony up in Afg coming along? If you are going to hold the lib base together might be nice to have at least one accomplishment.
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RB, Im cherry picking and being sarcastic.
Winter, If I take a position different than Pres Obama, so be it. But I am not convenient with my stands like modern Republicans who just seem to be adverse to anything this Liberal President does. The stand from the right was to finish the mission while Pres Bush was in office, but soon as Pres Obama seems to be leaning toward increasing troop levels in Afg they are in agreement with me? I mean welcome aboard but dont get to close, it seems too fishy.
I hear the skiing could be phenomenal there. We just need to build some condos and some ski lifts.
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How can it take 60 days to make a decision? We either give the general (the man that understands the conflict) his men or we don't.
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The notion that Obama is "soul searching" is cover talk to hide the fact that Obama lacks military experience and in his heart of hearts is a liberal peacenik. He wants to keep his fellow liberals happy, but doesn't want history to record him as the President who snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.
Given that he can't win no matter what he does, he should give the generals what they want and need to win the war. If he does, and it is still going badly, bring them home. But if he doesn't give the Generals what they want, and delays bring the troops home, then the blood of the dead are on his hands, and all the spin in the world won't wash away that blood.
Krauthammer has to be one of the smartest and most interesting birds in the commentary world. He has the personality of a Russet Potato but I will tell ya, he sticks to business and pays absolutely no attention to the whole TV news entertainment gig.
Surprisingly, he has lib credentials that would be the envy of many pinkos. He was born an American but raised and educated in Canada, is disabled, is a Harvard grad, a psychiatrist, was hired by Jimmy Carter and was a speech writer for Walter Mondale. However, when he got some kind of award a while back, Dick Cheney said that Krauthammer was the one commentator that he listened to the most. He is a serious guy for sure. Aren't many left on TV. Hurts their ratings. I don't know whether it is his personality or the fact that he is partially paralyzed but holy shoot when he begins to talk it like watching a Samurai warrior. You could put a sword right through him and he would not flinch and then you would find a sword through you.
Well, come on all of you, big strong men,
Uncle Sam needs your help again.
He's got himself in a terrible jam
Way down yonder in Vietnam
So put down your books and pick up a gun,
We're gonna have a whole lotta fun.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Come on Wall Street, don't be slow,
Why man, this is war au-go-go
There's plenty good money to be made
By supplying the Army with the tools of its trade,
But just hope and pray that if they drop the bomb,
They drop it on the Viet Cong.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Well, come on generals, let's move fast;
Your big chance has come at last.
Now you can go out and get those reds
'Cause the only good commie is the one that's dead
And you know that peace can only be won
When we've blown 'em all to kingdom come.
And it's one, two, three,
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam;
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
Come on mothers throughout the land,
Pack your boys off to Vietnam.
Come on fathers, and don't hesitate
To send your sons off before it's too late.
And you can be the first ones in your block
To have your boy come home in a box.
And it's one, two, three
What are we fighting for ?
Don't ask me, I don't give a damn,
Next stop is Vietnam.
And it's five, six, seven,
Open up the pearly gates,
Well there ain't no time to wonder why,
Whoopee! we're all gonna die.
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