The House healthcare bill proposes to cut a half trillion dollars in medicare spending over the next 10 years, despite the fact that there will be a growth of 30% more Americans relying on medicare during that same period.
AARP, which claims to represents senior citizens, the same constituents who actual receive medicare, is supporting the bill:
I sent in my AARP card a couple of months ago. I got back a stock-printed "regrets" postcard. It would be one of about 60,000 they sent in that time frame I am told.
AARP has never represented the interests of retired people. It was created by an insurance guy to sell more insurance and nothing has ever changed except it turned into a cash cow above the insurance angle.
I am a member of the AARP. I don't agree with all of their political positions, or like their insurance plans but they have good member benefits and discounts.
Before i joined AARP a year or two ago, I was an NRA member as they have GREAT discounts at motels, etc. but not as good as AARP. I also used to order their holiday cards to send to friends as they have nice ones for political conservatives, such as this one:
I know all you guys are into "political correctness" but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Just because someone walks into a store does not mean they buy everything on the shelf!
I'm a liberal. I'm allowed to have a-con and n-con friends and do biz with them because we accept all faiths, creeds, and the whackos of all stripes! You folks have to remain politically "pure." Think of the business that you miss out on by only selling to those who are as "pure" as you are.
Anyway, I have this shot-gun
so it is right and proper that I be in the NRA. I'd never go to a meeting with a couple of thousand carry-concealed whack-jobs, but all in all the NRA has good programs for kids at the ranges. (My wife (of 28 years) is a good shot with a lightweight (girlie!) .38 she rents at a range. I couldn't hit a wall with it! I think it is because she only has good vision out of one eye. Lucky for me she takes her Zoloft every morning! I'm sure most of you are praying that she forgets one day... and takes me out!)
The House healthcare bill proposes to cut a half trillion dollars in medicare spending over the next 10 years, despite the fact that there will be a growth of 30% more Americans relying on medicare during that same period.
AARP, which claims to represents senior citizens, the same constituents who actual receive medicare, is supporting the bill:
My guess is that the AARP has carefully studied their members and has come to the conclusion that they are all stupid.
My wife and I are now eligible to be members of the AARP. Needless to say, that won't be happening.
I saw on the news today that AARP polled their members about what they wanted and one of the reason they chose to back this bill was because it will close the donut hole.
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Originally Posted by al3
I am a member of the AARP. I don't agree with all of their political positions, or like their insurance plans but they have good member benefits and discounts.
Before i joined AARP a year or two ago, I was an NRA member as they have GREAT discounts at motels, etc. but not as good as AARP. I also used to order their holiday cards to send to friends as they have nice ones for political conservatives, such as this one:
I know all you guys are into "political correctness" but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Just because someone walks into a store does not mean they buy everything on the shelf!
I'm a liberal. I'm allowed to have a-con and n-con friends and do biz with them because we accept all faiths, creeds, and the whackos of all stripes! You folks have to remain politically "pure." Think of the business that you miss out on by only selling to those who are as "pure" as you are.
Anyway, I have this shot-gun
so it is right and proper that I be in the NRA. I'd never go to a meeting with a couple of thousand carry-concealed whack-jobs, but all in all the NRA has good programs for kids at the ranges. (My wife (of 28 years) is a good shot with a lightweight (girlie!) .38 she rents at a range. I couldn't hit a wall with it! I think it is because she only has good vision out of one eye. Lucky for me she takes her Zoloft every morning! I'm sure most of you are praying that she forgets one day... and takes me out!)
I don't support all of their positions, but they do encourage proper and safe firearm procedures for people and while they have a ton of Glock-on-the-leg tea-party nut-jobs as members, for the most part the leaders of the NRA are sober and intelligent people.
I'm a rifle owner, the NRA has really nice cards... it all works for me. We liberals are allowed to pick and choose what we believe in. We don't have a litmus test on anything that I can think of. We're the big-tent party.
Liberals in San Francisco are "different" (and less gay!) than liberals in New Orleans... but we are on the same page with most issues... abortion, gun control, war, health care, etc. We try to stay away from beating ourselves up over who is "more liberal" like the GOP loves to do with who is "more Republican."
It is so much easier to be a liberal because we're more like cats... and it's hard to heard cats. You neo-cons are more like cattle... no one wants to venture far from the herd... and if they do, you cut them out.
We don't care if we are liked. Hell, we know we WON'T be liked. We're change-agents. We're the ilk who brought to you the civil rights laws you hated and the Medicare you hated, and the peace movement that you hated. Indeed, nothing unites you guys like having someone to hate... and we're just so used to it that perhaps we have simply adopted the paradigm... pretty much what I do here with the 12,000+ a-cons and n-cons... giving you a different POV... and something to rally against.
If I weren't here, I shutter to think what you would all have to talk about after a while. How many times can you kiss each others ass before it gets boring!!
Back to the point. Seniors who are members of AARP should be outraged that the association is supporting this change to healthcare. Why aren't they and why does AARP still have members?
For years the Dems have been scaring seniors with rhetoric that the Republicans would steal their Social Security, their Medicare, etc.
Now that the Dems are in power, they are demonstrating their full and complete contempt for the groups that they are able to manipulate.
Anybody who thinks that a socialist cares about anything other than themselves is just another victim of the socialist/communist con game. It's not about the people, its about the power and privilege.
Correct me, but the "power" comes from winning the last election.
The "privilege" comes from... um... winning the last election.
What part of the American political political system do you not understand?
Perhaps what you arch-cons need to do is less moaning and whining and more organizing so that you can win back the Congress next year and the presidency two after that.
The party in power almost always loses seats in the first mid-term election. Maybe you arch-conservatives can come up with attractive candidates in enough "contested" districts to make that happen. You did it in 1994, although it was not exactly a "conservative" program you put forth in the so-called "Contract For America" but it had enough appeal in enough districts to win you back the House. Many of us called it the Contract ON America, but the majority changed and you folks got the "power and privilege" to have a place at the legislative table (at least in the House.)
Personally, I don't think that the arch-conservative desire to bring us back to Alabama of 1958 can be implemented into anything concrete enough or attractive enough to entice a majority of voters. You have to be FOR something, not just against everything.
Maybe you can win with a pledge to cut taxes or to end the war and cut the size of the deficit and the size of the government bureaucracy, but we heard most of that from Nixon and Reagan and Buish, and none of it came to pass.
Maybe Winter is right and you can get enough swing voters in enough districts to elect arch-conservatives next year, but I just don't see it. You might get a handful of moderate Reps elected like in 1994, but guys with the arch-conservative, Barry Goldwater "extremism" philosophy will probably lose.
Correct me, but the "power" comes from winning the last election.
The "privilege" comes from... um... winning the last election.
What part of the American political political system do you not understand?
Perhaps what you arch-cons need to do is less moaning and whining and more organizing so that you can win back the Congress next year and the presidency two after that.
The party in power almost always loses seats in the first mid-term election. Maybe you arch-conservatives can come up with attractive candidates in enough "contested" districts to make that happen. You did it in 1994, although it was not exactly a "conservative" program you put forth in the so-called "Contract For America" but it had enough appeal in enough districts to win you back the House. Many of us called it the Contract ON America, but the majority changed and you folks got the "power and privilege" to have a place at the legislative table (at least in the House.)
Personally, I don't think that the arch-conservative desire to bring us back to Alabama of 1958 can be implemented into anything concrete enough or attractive enough to entice a majority of voters. You have to be FOR something, not just against everything.
Maybe you can win with a pledge to cut taxes or to end the war and cut the size of the deficit and the size of the government bureaucracy, but we heard most of that from Nixon and Reagan and Buish, and none of it came to pass.
Maybe Winter is right and you can get enough swing voters in enough districts to elect arch-conservatives next year, but I just don't see it. You might get a handful of moderate Reps elected like in 1994, but guys with the arch-conservative, Barry Goldwater "extremism" philosophy will probably lose.
And that would be a good thing.
Al
Did you read the post you quoted? It's like you responded to the question of what is one plus one and you say Green.
Elected socialists don't have any concern about the common people. They aren't trying to force equality on us. They aren't trying to help those who need help. They don't want to help the downtroden.
Most of the elected officials we have now are power hungry monsters. They don't care if someone dies on the street because that person couldn't get medical care. They want to control how medicine is delivered because they salivate at the thought of the power that entails. Don't tell me you are naive enough to believe Nancy Pelosi cares one bit about the poor people in this country. She is worth a ton of money and how much of it does she voluntarily donate to help those less forunate? How often does she volunteer at a soup kitchen? How many times has she volunteered to coach youngsters or anything like that?
They don't care if someone dies on the street because that person couldn't get medical care. They want to control how medicine is delivered because they salivate at the thought of the power that entails. Don't tell me you are naive enough to believe Nancy Pelosi cares one bit about the poor people in this country. She is worth a ton of money and how much of it does she voluntarily donate to help those less forunate? How often does she volunteer at a soup kitchen? How many times has she volunteered to coach youngsters or anything like that?
Here's the joke. Socialist Dems claim that the need for healthcare reform is based upon the fact that we have so many uninsured people in this country. So why are they going to make the uninsured wait 6 months to get free healthcare is the House bill is eventually passed into law?
As Rush Limbaugh has said so eloquently, if this was about the uninsured (who are poor) getting health insurance, we could simply give it to them for a lot less money than what the Dems are cooking up.
This is NOT about healthcare for the poor. This is about a power grab. This is about socialist STEALING your God given, and Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms. You remember Nancy on that don't you:
Change will come not in the form of a large number of repubs and conservatives being elected in the next election although quite a bit of that will happen. The true change will come in the form of the dems all scrambling to the right to survive (as is going on right now and will pick up speed). The difference between what these neo- blue dogs will support as we toward the election versus what they supported six months ago at the height of Obamania will be night and day. Thus the partisan liberal hacks here and elsewhere will end out saying "see all that third party hoopla was a crock and the dems are still in the majority." That will be true. Problem is you will then have a congress that is dem in majority but wont touch one of obamas programs with a ten foot pole if they want to get re-elected. That is the shift that is going to happen and will have a major impact on policy. The hacks who only want to crow about whether their party is in the majority or not dont care. Policy issues are not important to them or they assume that if their party is in power everything is groovy.
Meanwhile President Obama has given up on repub support on health care and is now hoping that some dems will support him. See the point? A major shift has occurred already but the dems are still crowing about the last election. President Obama won the last election and he is now the leader. Apparently the dems have not gotten that message. The dems who survive or come in after the election will need to get that message too because we are now moving from the world of RINO's over to DINO's and that game does not plug and play well with a socialist president. How can you get them on board for the socialist party agenda when they are increasingly trying to duck even the democratic agenda. As we say in Maine, you can't get theya from heya.
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