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Originally Posted by NHB_MMA

To chime in on that, the Age of Accountability is not found within the Bible. It's really just an idea based on what seems reasonable and the characteristics of what is known of God. It is a popular Protestant idea, but not Biblical, therefore I maintain because of this and a million other things that Sola Scriptura is a Protestant myth that they really don't believe. All religions get some doctrine from the teachings of men. I prefer those that base them from the Apostolic age, therefore while I am not active in any church at this time I am most inclined to lean towards Eastern Orthodoxy.

Very well said, NHB. The age of accountability rule being a certain age is manmade...mainly by the Catholic church (which believes it is 12), which is why they practice infant baptisms.

[johnrocks]

Damn that's cold!!!

[johnrocks]

I guess if we believe that then we all just need to paaaaaaaarty!!!!That way instead of spending your life worrying about all this I can slide side-ways into my coffin with a cigarette in one hand and a Bud (wiser) in the other yelling HELL YEAH this was a blast!!!!

[healthagent]

You can debate this until the cows come home. It is stated over and over in the Bible that no one can enter the gates of heaven unless they're baptized. Period.

Because the "hell for children" for unbaptized children concept was so bitter many Christians have apopted a "limbo" for children that die before batism. This is not accepted by the mainstream chuch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo

Originally Posted by john_petrowski

You are making up "rules" because you disagree with what's clearly stated in the Bible and taught by the Catholic chuch. I assure you 100% I know the answer to my question since I went to Cathoic school and had Bible studies every day. That particular one year old goes to hell. That you don't agree with that means you're going against the teachings which means you're human and starting to see some pretty big holes.

John, I assume this is a response to this statement from policy doctor?:

This is one of those questions where the seeker doesn't really want answers, just to debate. I don't care to do that on a MB,but here is a reply. The baby is innocent. Hasn't reached age of accountability (13) so hasn't committed any sin. In the Resurrection , he will be raised from the dead to live during Christ's millenial reign. (read the Book of Isaiah) Sin will not be permitted to take root in that age. As for other pagans, the Bible infers that the Law of God is inscribed in their hearts. Even within their code, there is a right and wrong. They will be judged according to their knowledge of this. Remember: to whom much is given much is expected. So are YOU thirsting for revelation knowledge, or throwing out Red Herrings for a lively debate?

[healthagent]

I'll cool with the debates - stimulates intelligent conversation. Another dilemma I have is Jesus in the Bible makes countless references to rich people and not being able to enter heaven. In one parable it's "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter the gates of heaven." In another parable a rich man asks Jesus what he must do to enter heaven and he's told he must sell all his possessions.

It this literal? If I'm making $200,000 a year and not giving it away yet I'm a good person am I screwed? We'd like to think it'll all be ok. The Bible says not.

Can we really bend the twist the Bible to justify our lifestyle? Ummm.....I don't think so.

[salpro22]

Originally Posted by NHB_MMA

We worship Don Lapre?

HaHa, oh yeah. I live his commercials. "Out of my ONEEEEEEE Bedroom apartment, one phone line, two buckets and a loaf of bread, I MADE over 100 MILLION DOLLARS and now you can to for $39.95.."

[johnrocks]

Originally Posted by john_petrowski

You can debate this until the cows come home. It is stated over and over in the Bible that no one can enter the gates of heaven unless they're baptized. Period.

Because the "hell for children" for unbaptized children concept was so bitter many Christians have apopted a "limbo" for children that die before batism. This is not accepted by the mainstream chuch.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbo

mooooo!!! let's please agree to disagree we won't know the answer on this earth. We just have to live the best way that we can and let the rest happen.

[healthagent]

I'm proud to say I've never ordered anything. Not Don, not Carlton, SMC, or anything else.

Originally Posted by john_petrowski

I'll cool with the debates - stimulates intelligent conversation. Another dilemma I have is Jesus in the Bible makes countless references to rich people and not being able to enter heaven. In one parable it's "it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle then a rich man to enter the gates of heaven." In another parable a rich man asks Jesus what he must do to enter heaven and he's told he must sell all his possessions.

It this literal? If I'm making $200,000 a year and not giving it away yet I'm a good person am I screwed? We'd like to think it'll all be ok. The Bible says not.

Can we really bend the twist the Bible to justify our lifestyle? Ummm.....I don't think so.

One thing at a time, John!
This thread is getting lame now because people are posting nonsense remarks and hopping from one subject to the next.

I want to understand your issue with the infant first. Are you saying that you do not believe in Christianity because the Catholic church teaches that infant goes to hell?

[James]

2 Samuel 12:21-23

"What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food." David's response was, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me." David's response can be seen as an argument that those who cannot believe are safe in the Lord.

Originally Posted by johnrocks

mooooo!!! let's please agree to disagree we won't know the answer on this earth. We just have to live the best way that we can and let the rest happen.

I do not believe that for a second. We can know answers on this earth. The problem is people aren't seriously seeking, but would rather get mad when they don't understand and then mock religion.

[healthagent]

Originally Posted by perfectchoice

One thing at a time, John!
This thread is getting lame now because people are posting nonsense remarks and hopping from one subject to the next.

I want to understand your issue with the infant first. Are you saying that you do not believe in Christianity because the Catholic church teaches that infant goes to hell?

I'm lost because I'm tired on inviduals making up their own rules. Can't get divorced? Ok, we'll make up the Protestant religion. Woman can't be priests? We'll solve that...Episcapalion. All claim to be Christian.

Listen, I'm a purist. It's all there in the Bible. What I've seen is people reading the Bible and saying "wow...I don't like some of this." You either adhere to the rules as published or you don't. I'm not a fan of people following half the rules and saying the other half don't apply simply because they disagree.

[James]

Okay let's fast forward about 1,500 years and see what Christ said about Sin.

First John 2:2 says Jesus "is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world." This is quite clear, Sin is no longer binding anyone.

Originally Posted by john_petrowski

I'm lost because I'm tired on inviduals making up their own rules. Can't get divorced? Ok, we'll make up the Protestant religion. Woman can't be priests? We'll solve that...Episcapalion. All claim to be Christian.

Listen, I'm a purist. It's all there in the Bible. What I've seen is people reading the Bible and saying "wow...I don't like some of this." You either adhere to the rules as published or you don't. I'm not a fan of people following half the rules and saying the other half don't apply simply because they disagree.

Okay now I understand...and agree with your position.

So, you are not actually still trying to pick a religion...you believe the bible to be the Word of God but you have not found a religion that strictly adheres to that Word?

Originally Posted by James

2 Samuel 12:21-23

"What is this thing that you have done? While the child was alive, you fasted and wept; but when the child died, you arose and ate food." David's response was, "While the child was still alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who knows, the LORD may be gracious to me, that the child may live.’ But now he has died; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he will not return to me." David's response can be seen as an argument that those who cannot believe are safe in the Lord.

I'm still waiting for your Isaiah reference to an age of accountability...