[dvd493]

So finding people who were already motivated and knew how to spell. That is the advice you took away from there. Sounds enlightening

[moonlightandmargaritas]

No, you should learn how to spell. How long you been in the business?

[midwestbroker]

Well in that case, every company is a MLM company.

I have never seen a CEO equal pay as a mailroom clerk. The pay normally starts somewhere and works its way up.

I do not work with the NAA or do I care to. But independent agents are ones who are diciplined enough to guide themselves to success (the good ones). Some need guidence, or an upline for that.

So, each their own. You know the old saying, if you want to be a success, you have to work for yourself.

You could buy your own leads, and make more money, but then there goes the guidelines and upline. 0-100 million in 4 years is great, but they are selling leads and making overrides off the agents. Where do you think the $100 Million comes from?

[dvd493]

Less than a year. How about you?

[moonlightandmargaritas]

Statred in April 1991. Fifteen and a half years.

[dvd493]

moonlightandmargaritas,

Does that make you good at what your doing?

Why the personal attacks on my spelling? I already mentioned spelling is not important to me. If it was I could use the spellcheck right above this box.

[moonlightandmargaritas]

Yeah, it makes me good at what I'm doing. With the average one year failure rate at 97%, it's above average to just last! Over 15 years is exceptional. I have made a very handsome living for myself, and helped and brought a ton of value to people.

[somarco]

Everyone pays for leads either directly or indirectly so what

Paying for leads is not the issue.

Paying top price for cherry picked, rehashed leads AND taking a 55% contract is just foolish. You are digging a hole you cannot crawl out of.

I don't understand your anger

No anger. Neither you nor NAA (or any of those other agency's) affect my income a bit.

Going to 100 million in 4 years does mean there doing something right

Maybe that is an accurate figure, maybe not. Who knows? Even more so, who cares?

Not me.

classifying NAA as an MLM is just rediculous. By your definition, your working in an MLM company also

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Not hardly.

I have been in career shops in the past and have also attended some recruiting meetings for folks like NAA, ACA, PFS, NBA, Alliance for Affordable Services . . . just to see what they are doing. Was never impressed.

A REAL career shop does not treat their agents the same. You need to have more experience in the industry to really understand the difference. I have never seen a NYL, Mass Mutual, John Hancock (or any other career shop) place ads in a paper for mass interviews where the tone is "join us and you will earn a fortune, everyone else is a crook".

I really don't care what you think of my, my opinion or how great you feel about NAA. The folks here who have tried to give you advice really don't have a bone to pick with you or NAA. Just some folks giving honest opinions about what NAA (and all the other MLM agencies) are really doing to their agents.

BTW, in case you are interested, I started in the industry part time while in college in 1973. Went full time in 1975. Believe I may have learned a few things along the way about this industry, who is believable and who isn't.

[dvd493]

Somarco, it would be easier to believe some of the people on this forum are trying to give honest advice if it didn't get personal so fast. There seems to be an anger here just like there was on the other forum. This is not productive.

[somarco]

Anger? Maybe. Probably more like frustration from trying to feed you the truth instead of the manure you are being spoon fed now but you fail to appreciate the kind of advice that is being offered.

Believe it is time for me to move on. Singing lessons are over.

take care,

[moonlightandmargaritas]

dvd493,

No anger. No need to be so defensive.

People far more experienced than you are just trying to help you. We've already made the mistakes. Why wouldn't you want to learn from them as opposed to repeating them?

100 million in 4 years? How many of those 4 million did you put in YOUR pocket?

[dvd493]

Back to the original topic.

Who went there?
They said you will learn the following things at the conferance:

1) How to go from making 37,350 per year to 412,000 per year in the next 12 months.
2) How to make 7 appointments from 10 leads.
3) How to book 17 appointments in 1 hour.
4) How to reduce your overhead by 42%.
5) How to hire an administrative assistant for FREE.
6) How to recruit 3 sub agents in the next 10 days.
7) How to gain appreciation from your client and net 11 referrals at every appointment.

I'd like to hear what they said on how those things are done. Is anyone willing to talk about it please?

[moonlightandmargaritas]

Why don't you ask your "manager"?

[dvd493]

moonlightandmargaritas,

There are a lot of NAA people who read this forum. Many of them didn't go to the conferance so it would be helpful to all of us if someone who did could enlighten us.

[moonlightandmargaritas]

Why hasn't there been any replies about it then?

[dvd493]

Because some people here are hostile to NAA. Why would they?

[sman]

Originally Posted by dvd493

sman & somarco,

I understand NAA top dogs get paid more. Can you name anyone on top who doesn't.

That's not the point. The issue here is whether or not NAA is a great company. I say they aren't. You say they are. More power to you.

There are a lot of NAA agents who make good money so your just wrong there.

Again, it's "you're" not your. "Good" money is a relative term.

Everyone pays for leads either directly or indirectly so what. It's the cost of doing business.

Well, I personally consider referrals a low cost way to get leads. From time to time, I'll try other ways, but when I work it right, the referrals keep me busy.

I don't understand your anger. It seems a little misplaced.

What anger are you talking about? I'm not angry. Just because someone disagrees with your assessment doesn't mean they are angry. I don;t know how long you've been in the business, but I've got 17 years. The last 9 as an independent. So I've seen a few things that maybe a lesser experienced agent hasn't.

Going to 100 million in 4 years does mean there doing something right.

Man, when are you going to get it? It's THEY'RE, not there. And you're correct, they are doing something right. Providing leads that the agent pays for and giving sub-par commissions which makes them very profitable. The hardest part about this business is getting in front of a qualified prospect. If you need to purchase leads to do that, there is absolutley nothing wrong with it. But again, that doesn't make NAA a great company.

You work on a tier system. Sure, your at 100% but those over you are at a higher contract rate.

How many times do I have to do this? It's YOU"RE not your. How do you know what system I work on? When you go through a traditional IMO, you get the street level commission. The only override is the IMO. The only way MLM's work is by cutting the commissions for the newbie's. There is no other way to pay 4, 5, 6 or however many levels NAA pays.

So classifying NAA as an MLM is just rediculous.

Rediculous? DVD, you see that button just to the right of the box on the screen where your words go when you reply to a message? It says Spellcheck. You might want to give it a try. It's ridiculous.

By your definition, your working in an MLM company also.

I think I've heard that 1,000 times from MLM people.

Lets get back to the issue. Did any of you attend the conferance and if so, can you tell all of us what you learned?

Dude, it's CONFERENCE. Too funny. I hope you don't send letters to your clients.

[MIBizInsurance]

If you do indeed work for NAA ask as stated.

Then you can come here and enlighten all of your brethren and us.

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