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Is it just me, or are Assurants rates appearing to more competitive in Texas...?? I have been writing a fair amount of Assurant lately, and ...


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Old 05-08-2007, 06:05 PM   #1
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Is it just me, or are Assurants rates appearing to more competitive in Texas...?? I have been writing a fair amount of Assurant lately, and the non-copay rates have been very competitive and even beating alot of the other guys. I know Assurant has a bad reputation in TX for their rates, but maybe I've just been writing in good zip codes...
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Old 05-08-2007, 06:39 PM   #2
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TX is very zip code dependent for Assurant. Some zips are fine, others are horrible.
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Originally Posted by john_petrowski View Post
TX is very zip code dependent for Assurant. Some zips are fine, others are horrible.

Dude....he could be writing the right start plan.....
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:13 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by STIBROKER@AUSTIN.RR.COM View Post
Dude....he could be writing the right start plan.....
Of course!! That's all I write!! HA!

I haven't written one Right Start nor do I plan on it!
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Old 05-08-2007, 11:19 PM   #5
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TX is Assurant's number 1 state in the country for sales.
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Originally Posted by john_petrowski View Post
TX is Assurant's number 1 state in the country for sales.
I'm really starting to like Assurant... def in my top two carriers especially with 2 and 3 year rate guarantees...
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Old 05-09-2007, 01:10 AM   #7
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Assurant- zipcode 75067 one male 35 with 31 year old spouse both non smokers and 3 children. I have the Max plan( 1000ded,80/20,35office copay,3000oop) at [COLOR=red]$1096.15[/COLOR]

Unicare- Same zip and family under Fit plan on (1000ded, 80/20,30 off copay, 3000oop) at [COLOR=red]$618.00[/COLOR]

Fit plan has $250.00 brand name prescript ded and Assurant $500.00 + 20% copay on brand name.

[COLOR=red]$479.00[/COLOR] a month savings going with Unicare!
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Old 05-09-2007, 06:46 AM   #8
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Not sure what's going on with Unicare's HSA:

Unicare HSA - zip 75067 - male 40, female 40, 2 kids. $5,000 individual, $10,000 family deductible at 80% coinsurance. Drug copay start after the deductible? Rate = $482

Assurant HSA - same info - $5,700 individual deductible, $10,000 family at 80% coinsurance. Drugs are free after deductible - $452

Personally I like 100% coinsurance but it doesn't like Unicare has that option.

That's Assurant all the way. Plus you add accident production and the free HSA account. Doesn't look like Unicare has a HSA admin.
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Originally Posted by Golddoor View Post
Assurant- zipcode 75067 one male 35 with 31 year old spouse both non smokers and 3 children. I have the Max plan( 1000ded,80/20,35office copay,3000oop) at [COLOR=red]$1096.15[/COLOR]

Unicare- Same zip and family under Fit plan on (1000ded, 80/20,30 off copay, 3000oop) at [COLOR=red]$618.00[/COLOR]

Fit plan has $250.00 brand name prescript ded and Assurant $500.00 + 20% copay on brand name.

[COLOR=red]$479.00[/COLOR] a month savings going with Unicare!

Shhhhhhhh....you keep the Assurant agents thinking they have the best rates so we will have stuff to replace....
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Old 05-09-2007, 07:26 AM   #10
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No comment on the HSA comparison Scott?
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Originally Posted by john_petrowski View Post
No comment on the HSA comparison Scott?
45 male 78613

SaveRight HSA $138.51 Deductible $5,100 Coinsurance 0%

HSA Compatible Plan 3 (Single) $142.00 Deductible $5,000 Coinsurance 0%
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First of all, no 100% coinsurance for family HSA for Unicare? That stinks.

Secondly - male 45 in 78613 Unicare $142. HSA "compatible?" That's trailer trash. Tell them to get an admin. I'd certainly like to know what the benefits are for:

Durable medical equipment
Therapy
Skilled nursing
Hospice care
Ground/air ambulance

I guess it's a secret. The Unicare webite apparantly wants me to apply without knowing.

Assurant - same quote - $184 for the regular HSA - preferred is $159.

I'd take Assurant - far superior plan. You can hammer me on PPO copay plans and rates in TX - but Assurant's HSA is superior.

Why would anyone recommend a copay plan anyway? Why doesn't Unicare have 100% family coinsurance? Where's all the policy details?
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Originally Posted by john_petrowski View Post
Durable medical equipment [COLOR=Red]covered[/COLOR]
Therapy [COLOR=Red]covered...and you do not really want me to tell you how assurant covers this..[/COLOR]
Skilled nursing [COLOR=Red]covered[/COLOR]
Hospice care [COLOR=Red]covered [/COLOR]
Ground/air ambulance[COLOR=Red] covered[/COLOR]
Why doesn't Unicare have 100% family coinsurance? Where's all the policy details?

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You want to to compare this to Assurant? Ok.

Unicare:
Ambulance $1,000 cap - air ambulance $5,000 cap (neither would cover the actual expenses) - Assurant is no cap

Therapy - $30 benefit for 12 visits - Assurant is $3,000

Unicare 6 month exclusion for reproductive disorders. Your female clients agree to that? No such exclusion with Assurant

Unicare hospice $10,000 cap - no cap on Assurant

Unicare no speech therapy - Assurant $3,000 benefit

Unicare AIDS - $50,000 limit/$10,000 per year - Assurant no cap

Unicare - no drug coverage if OTC counterpart is available - Assurant no such cap.

You want to compare Chevy to Mercedes? Go ahead.
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Originally Posted by john_petrowski View Post

You want to compare Chevy to Mercedes? Go ahead.
yea but what do you drive.......
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What if you could get the Benz for $50 more a month then the Chevy? Caps on AIDS? Ambulance? $360 benefit for therapy? Scott....you've lost your mind. Assurant is clearly far superior coverage.

You can sell based on rates - I'll sell based on value.
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Originally Posted by john_petrowski View Post
What if you could get the Benz for $50 more a month then the Chevy? Caps on AIDS? Ambulance? $360 benefit for therapy? Scott....you've lost your mind. Assurant is clearly far superior coverage.

You can sell based on rates - I'll sell based on value.
little more than that.......45,45,3 kids 78613....looking around I see more chevys on the road than benz's.....

HSA Compatible Plan 2 $5450 ded. then 80/20..... $374.00
Ass.one ded $5700 ded then 80/20.......$498.97
Ass.one ded $4200 ded then 100%......$720.24.....compared to the prem diff. on plan 2...$4,154.88 a yr. in cash in my clients pock....
HSA Compatible Plan 3 $10,000 ded then 100%......$298.00.compared to the prem diff. on 1ded above..$5,066.88 a yr. in cash in my clients pock
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The question is Scott, do you compare both Assurant and Unicare plans to your clients, point out that Assurant has better coverage for a higher rate and let them choose? Or do you just ram Unicare up their ass?
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Originally Posted by STIBROKER@AUSTIN.RR.COM View Post
little more than that.......45,45,3 kids 78613....

HSA Compatible Plan 2 $5450 ded. then 80/20..... $374.00
Ass.one ded $5700 ded then 80/20.......$498.97
Ass.one ded $4200 ded then 100%......$720.24.....compared to the prem diff. on plan 2...$4,154.88 a yr. in cash in my clients pock....
HSA Compatible Plan 3 $10,000 ded then 100%......$298.00.compared to the prem diff. on 1ded above..$5,066.88 a yr. in cash in my clients pock
So you're telling me you get what you pay for? Cheap rates = cheap coverage? Imagine that.
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Originally Posted by john_petrowski View Post
The question is Scott, do you compare both Assurant and Unicare plans to your clients, point out that Assurant has better coverage for a higher rate and let them choose? Or do you just ram Unicare up their ass?

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