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Old 08-20-2008, 04:44 PM   #21
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The number I show as my business number is actually a residential phone. Does my DNC registration actually mean anything?

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Rob - that article is from 1991.

Mickey - care to share the source of this information?

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I think that it would be a pretty safe bet that this law would not include political.
According to today's newspaper, "calls to charitable fundraising on behalf of nonprofit groups also must provide an automated opt-out mechanism. Those calls won't require prior written consent from consumers." The source for the article is Bloomberg News.

Also, beginning this December, pre-recorded calls must give consumers an opt-out for future calls.
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The number I show as my business number is actually a residential phone. Does my DNC registration actually mean anything?

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If it's published as a business number, the DNC registration doesn't apply. Now, most anyone doing residential calling will check the list and not call, someone doing B2B calling won't and will call, you can't get anywhere complaining about it later either.

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Old 08-20-2008, 09:06 PM   #25
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I still can't imagine ever responding to an auto-dialer. I'll listen to a telemarketer for a few minutes (heck, I am one a few hours a week), but I don't feel the need to be polite to a machine. I guess some people must. It just seems strange to me though.
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Old 08-20-2008, 09:13 PM   #26
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I always thought the rule was 90 days , however the automated message I thought has been illegal for some time to residents.
The waters are muddy as to the legally of "ANY" pre-recorded voice blasting. This is why all of you who have called us and asked about hiring us to do this were told "No Thank You".

God Forbid if you accidentally call a hospital or emergency services (police, fire and etc) and clog up their lines. It is also illegal if you call all the lines at a business. This became illegal when a company would use auto dialers to blast a competitor repeatedly thereby causing a loss in business.

We have had the technology and it has actually been around for years. Google Voice broadcast and you will find a 100 companies out there offering this service. I asked one of these guys when I was doing my own research, if it was legal. He replied, if it isn't, thats your problem, we are only a "phone company" and you will sign a disclaimer before using our service. WoW! What a sport...

Ask the FTC and they will tell you to consult your attorney and make sure you do your due deligence. Again, water is too muddy for me and for me to subject my clients to this wrath.

Only my opinion and has always been my opinion. Those of you who have talked to me about this know that I do not flip' flop on this subject, but if this is what you are doing, Go For It! just don't complain that you were not warned.

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Originally Posted by OHInsAGNT View Post
I still can't imagine ever responding to an auto-dialer. I'll listen to a telemarketer for a few minutes (heck, I am one a few hours a week), but I don't feel the need to be polite to a machine. I guess some people must. It just seems strange to me though.
I agree, the second I hear "this is not a sales call" CLICK!
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FTC Bans Pre-Recorded Telemarketer Calls

Says it all . . .

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This must be the equivalent of jay walking since we're on the DNC and get it from outfits like satellite dish and mortgage refi's.
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This must be the equivalent of jay walking since we're on the DNC and get it from outfits like satellite dish and mortgage refi's.

It takes about 30 seconds to file a complaint electronically. If no one complains then it is status quo.

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I don't believe ANY complaints should be online. The government should only take complaints by mail.

The complaint rate on EVERYTHING would go down 100000%, saving millions of dollars.

People are too quick to go online and run their mouth. If they had to actually write a letter and place a stamp on an envelope most wouldn't bother.

A lot of people have a lot of time on their hands to do nothing but complain. I have a relative that must send 10 complaints a week - I have no idea for what reason or why, I think this is an actual medical condition at this point.
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Originally Posted by TXINSURANCE View Post
I don't believe ANY complaints should be online. The government should only take complaints by mail.

The complaint rate on EVERYTHING would go down 100000%, saving millions of dollars.

People are too quick to go online and run their mouth. If they had to actually write a letter and place a stamp on an envelope most wouldn't bother.

A lot of people have a lot of time on their hands to do nothing but complain. I have a relative that must send 10 complaints a week - I have no idea for what reason or why, I think this is an actual medical condition at this point.
And if we were all riding in horse and buggies the highway death rate would fall too. But this doesn't make it a good idea.

Of course if difficulty is what you wish to add toward making a complaint, why not make the complaints to the FCC be made only in person... and on Tuesday mornings, from 8 to 9. Let's face it, we are in the electronic age and to limit complaints or any other transaction isn't productive.

The agencies that receive the complaints surely have a way to sort thru the ones that border on the ridiculous.
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Interesting -

Exempt healthcare-related prerecorded message calls that are subject to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) from the prohibition on telemarketing calls that deliver prerecorded messages;
So does this mean if you say something like 'You're health history is important to you', that selling health policies via voice broadcast is going to be legal?

I'd like to see the language on this, given politicians normal way of blaming health insurance for health care issues, using the terms pretty interchangably, as the need arises.

Of course, I detest voice broadcasts for sales, so I really don't care. Ironically, I think they are great for reminders, such as having a dentist appointment the next day.

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I'd rather get a recorded message at home - I can immediately hang up. Although I can hang up on live telemarketers I simply don't an often have to wait out their spiel.
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That Dean Cipricono....is a marketing fool !!! He is tenacious...I cant shake him
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I'd rather get a recorded message at home - I can immediately hang up. Although I can hang up on live telemarketers I simply don't an often have to wait out their spiel.
Well said... there-in lies the advantage of a "Live Person" versus "Memorex". At least the live person will have a small window of opportunity to gain the interest of the prospect.

These auto voice broadcast dialers "burn down the haystack to find the needle" to use an analogy.... over and over and over again... I predict it won't be long that restrictions will be placed on the B2B usage of these things too.

By the way, there has always been laws on the books prohibiting there (Voice Broadcasts) usage for residential calling, but due to the high incidence of complaits, the laws now have teeth.
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Originally Posted by GreenSky View Post
The number I show as my business number is actually a residential phone. Does my DNC registration actually mean anything?

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It's still a residential number and DNC applies.
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Originally Posted by TXINSURANCE View Post
I don't believe ANY complaints should be online. The government should only take complaints by mail.

The complaint rate on EVERYTHING would go down 100000%, saving millions of dollars.

People are too quick to go online and run their mouth. If they had to actually write a letter and place a stamp on an envelope most wouldn't bother.

A lot of people have a lot of time on their hands to do nothing but complain. I have a relative that must send 10 complaints a week - I have no idea for what reason or why, I think this is an actual medical condition at this point.

On a side note from the complaints, I think it's great that it's easy for people to sign up for DNC. All the people that positively do not want to hear my pitch can tell me so by signing up. I feel people that aren't on the list are more likely to hear you out than when there was not list and everyone was mixed together.

Before someone calls me out, yes I realize signing up and complaining are two different topics. Just saying...
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