""No. I have a shot gun at home. Every Jew should own some kind of firearm for when ........
AL, Where do you draw the line on government dictating what kind, if any, gun a person could have? As a Jew, I would guess that history would influence your thoughts on gun control.
This is ~not~ meant to start a shoe pissing contest. I am curious.
Originally Posted by al3
No. I have a shot gun at home. Every Jew should own some kind of firearm for when the arch-cons come to round us up to send us to Camp Palin for a shower of Zykon-B.
Yes. But not on my land. I think it is cruel and stupid, but unlike arch-cons I try not to force my values on others. If you want to hunt, so long as you obey the rules and regs, knock yourself out. Of course you want to try to avoid shooting other hunters, because when that happens it is a real tragedy.
If it is on your own land and it is just you and your family members, I'm OK with it. Otherwise, on public land I think we should have state or federal licensed trained professional hunters to do that... as opposed to a bunch of drunk yahoo rednecks trolling the woods and fields who don't know a coyote from a pet dog.
No. I believe that only professional law enforcement officers should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon. The idea of a guy like Robert Barney (but probably/mabye NOT Robert Barney) on a plane or in a WalMart or an elementary school with a loaded gun does not give me any comfort at all. The flight attendent will tell him to sit down, or the teacher will say something about his kid or a clerk might be rude to him... and he will go postal and take out a dozen innocent people.
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Last edited by WinoBlues : 11-02-2009 at 12:32 AM.
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The Second Amendment was not written to protect the peoples' right to hunt. There is no reference to hunting in it. The intent of the Second Amendment was to permit the "people" to protect themselves, with what was arguably the most deadly weapons available to individuals at the time.
You say:
"I believe that only professional law enforcement officers should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon."
Please explain WHY they should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon and under what circumstances they should be allowed to use it.
Further, should they be allowed to carry it anytime, including when they are not on duty?
Should they be allowed to carry it in schools?
Should they be allowed to carry them on airplanes?
Your answers are important in order to carry on further with the discussion/debate.
On another note, why do you own a shotgun?
Last edited by Robert Barney : 11-02-2009 at 12:44 AM.
Please explain WHY they should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon and under what circumstances they should be allowed to use it.
Why should I spend a thousand words explaining it... to you or anyone else? The man asked my opinion on the subject(s) and I stated them. The reasoning behind them are my own and I don't feel the need or desire to share them.
Further, should they be allowed to carry it anytime, including when they are not on duty?
I thought it was mandatory that professional peace officers do carry when off duty. I'm fine with it.
Should they be allowed to carry it in schools?
If the school authorities allow it, I'm OK with it.
Should they be allowed to carry them on airplanes?
If the plane's captain, the airline, the FAA and CAB are all OK with it, I'm OK with it.
Your answers are important in order to carry on further with the discussion/debate.
I don't want to have a discussion on it. I don't believe you are a full-time, professional law enforcement officer or agent and I would not feel comfortable being anywhere around you if you were carrying a loaded gun. I won't say why because it would be construed as some kind of defamation, and I pledged that I would not do that.
On another note, why do you own a shotgun?
I thought I explained that above. I believe everyone should have a firearm at home, especially minorities. Should right-wing religious arch-cons like a Huckabilly or Palin come to power and initiate a pogrom on a national scale, it will be necessary for us to defend ourselves... perhaps form a well-regulated militia, to keep from being rounded up and sent to Camp Huckawitz for a shower of Zyklon-B. (Few of you know what that is, but you can look it up if interested.) I own a shotgun because even I, with my failing eyesight, couldn't miss at close range with it.
I'm not anti gun. I have no problem with gun registration, investigations, waiting periods, etc.
I was brought up with rifles in the Boy Scouts, and later at New York Military Academy where I attended middle school (along with Donald Trump who was a couple of years my senior.)
During the summer of 1969 and 1970 I worked at my girlfriend's fathers farm in Raphine, VA and we did target practice all the time (with a .22 pistol... which I was not very good with.)
I even went out with some hunters once (only with a camera, but Virginia made you buy a one-day license anyway... never understood that) to see what all the fuss was about and learned what a cruel activity it is and that it was not something I would ever want to participate in.
And like I said, while I'm against hunting, I don't enforce those views on others. If you want to hunt, go hunt... just stay off of my land and public land (where there are likely to be campers, hikers, bikers, skiers, etc.)
Neo-cons and their arch-con mentors are violent people. Read this venue. Listen to the fear of "commies" and the frustrations they have with "immigrants" and their advocacy of a forceful overthrow of the government. Listen to the hatred that they have for the President.
It's all here in this venue... the homophobia and xenophobia (you gotta watch out for those xenos! :-) )
You don't think that for one minute there aren't at least 500 guys on this board who would gladly kill a liberal IF they could get away with it? Hell with 500, I think it is more like 5,000.
And do you think that there are several thousand agents on this board who, if they got mad enough and drunk enough in a barroom political debate that they wouldn't take out their Glock and blow you away? If you think not, then you have not been here long enough.
Ask yourself this. Why do the vast majority of the most conservative agents on this board post from under a cloak? You don't know the answer? OK, try this. Why do the Knights of the KKK wear hoods?
I have no problem with guns. It is the right-wing, arch-con, born-again, red-neck, yahoo, whack-jobs who are walking the streets with lethal weapons under their sport coats or strapped to their legs that scares the bejabbers out of me.
If you feel comfortable with Robert Barney coming to your home knowing he has a loaded gun concealed in his underwear, fine... your choice. I would not feel safe with him in the same city as me, much less in my living room! Don't ask why... because I promised I would not post anything about an individual that might be taken as defamatory by that individual... and I won't break that promise.
I'm for hunting but let's get real - it's target practice - not a sport. In a real sport your opponent is equally matched. So for example, a sport would be bear hunting with a knife....let's see how many "hunters" would sign up for that.
But I always have to correct these people; no, "hunting" isn't sitting hidden in a tree then waiting for a deer to walk by to and shoot it. Again, that's target practice for wimps.
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I'm for hunting but let's get real - it's target practice - not a sport. .
Keep in mind the third alternative for some of us. It was neither sport nor target practice, it was food when we were growing up.
One day during the depression my father shot nine deer when he was living on the Passamaquoddy Reservation.. Dont even stop to think for a minute whether they were all eaten or not. There was no thought of whether it was sport or target practice. This dimension is often missing for the modern hunter- so called.
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I agree. But now if we need food we go to the grocery store. Oh, and by the way, I'm not against hunting. I have many friends who deer hunt - more power too 'em.
I've been a few times. If I want to be that bored and cold again I'll lock myself in a freezer for 6 hours. If I want to screw around with a gun I'll go to the range...which I do.
At least bow hunting is more of a sport but I strongly disagree with lying in wait or seeding the area. That is NOT a sport.
Well, hopefully Bob asks permission before he brings his gun into other people's homes.
I can hear the conversation now:
"Hey Bob, my wife is cooking up a pasta-feed before the big game on Sunday... and I thought you might want to join us, our other friends, and the kids."
"Gee, Pad. Thanks. I'd love to. Is it OK for me to bring my Glock and my AK assault rifle? I mean you never know if a gang of raging commie liberals might try to crash the party. Or perhaps someone might "dis" this country and I may have to pull out my Kel-Tec [below] and show them who's the boss. Oh... and don't tell anyone, but I have a couple of grenades I got on the black market... I can stuff a few into my coat pocket just to be on the safe side. And don't worry. I promise that I won't blast your toilet to smithereens! What time?"
Fear sells. I'm not against guns - former Marine marksman, qualified for the Marine Corp rifle competition by being the best shot in my company. I was an armed casino guard for 4 years then an armed prisoner transportation officer for 3 years.
While in the Marines I got selected to guard Camp David and went to the FBI training facility in Quantico VA. During that training we did a lot of "realistic" training - mostly moving targets. So you think you're a good shot on the range? You wouldn't hit an elephant in a real situation. If you did get lucky chances are it would not be a mortal wound.
In real life someone breaks into your house, you're tired, it's dark, you're scared shitless because you hear someone walking towards your bedroom and you crank off 9 rounds - 7 miss, 2 hit, none center mass and you're dead. If I did have a weapon it would be a shotgun but it obviously won't be loaded. I'm not sure how that works if someone quickly makes it towards your bedroom; "Whoa! Hold on while I load!"
I do not have a gun in my home. Why? Because it's far more likely (do your research) for an accident to happen then my home being invaded.
Also, if someone's a pro - which means they break into your house quietly - you'll know about it when they're standing over you when you're in bed. A lot of good your gun will do then unless it's under your pillow.
If they're noisy and I hear them break in I'll just yell from upstairs "I have a gun and already called the police." If they continue upstairs after that you're screwed even if you have a gun.
Last edited by healthagent : 11-02-2009 at 10:40 AM.
I am not going to explain why I believe what I believe because I have no facts to support my view that your behavior should be modified according to my feelings.
This is the same way that Al Gore operates.
Thank God for the Constitution and a majority of states who have not caved into this thinking about handguns.
Why should a police officer be allowed to carry a gun:
I refuse to answer a question about why a police office should be allowed to carry a gun.
No. I have a shot gun at home. Every Jew should own some kind of firearm for when the arch-cons come to round us up to send us to Camp Palin for a shower of Zykon-B.
Al
You do know the Nazis were socialists/facists and not freedom loving conservatives, right?
Did any of you "They're too scared to shoot straight" guys actually read any of the above stories?
And those were recent stories!
Why is it that the Samuel Jackson character is so cool under fire and the kid is the one who is freaked? Did you ever think that maybe when a gun gets pulled, it's the other way around? No one can predict how anyone is going to respond under fire.
Most armed citizens who pull guns never have to pull the trigger. The perps freak and run. And those stories are never reported to police because no one wants to get grilled for having to defend themself when no shots were fired.
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Originally Posted by bobson
You do know the Nazis were socialists/facists and not freedom loving conservatives, right?
And then there's the communists, we all know how they take care of the opposition.
You did know that communists are socialists, right?
Last edited by Robert Barney : 11-02-2009 at 11:28 AM.
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You do know the Nazis were socialists/facists and not freedom loving conservatives, right?
Gee, bobson, having had half my family wiped out by the Third Reich you don't think I know a bit of history?
"Freedom-loving conservatives?" Now THAT is funny. Made my morning. Thanks. I needed that.
You DO know there is no difference between your basic KKK member or Aryan Nation affiliate and your basic arch-conservative from Alabama or South Carolina or (especially) in Kentucky?
You don't think for a minute that a Huckabee or a Palin or a Limbaugh or a Beck wouldn't round up every Jew, black, Hispanic, immigrant, and gay and have them all gassed at Gitmo? (And Fox News would cover it live!)
What dreamworld do YOU live in... and can I go there too?
You don't think for a minute that a Huckabee or a Palin or a Limbaugh or a Beck wouldn't round up every Jew, black, Hispanic, immigrant, and gay and have them all gassed at Gitmo? (And Fox News would cover it live!)
But Al isn't worried about Sharpton, Jackson or Farrakhan.
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Oh by the way, I don't ask anybody's permission to carry a gun where I carry it. I don't need their permission and they don't know I have it.[/quote]
Well, I hope anyone who comes to my poker games asks for permission to bring a gun. How inconsiderate for a guest to bring a weapon into my home.
I you don't want to ask permission then leave it in the car.
In most states that issue permits to carry guns, permit holders can carry a gun in most places, with exceptions set out in the law. You can't carry in airports, universities, federal facilities, etc.
In most of those same states the law says that you can only keep someone who is licensed to carry a gun, from carrying the gun on your premises, by posting a sign that says they may not carry a gun on the premises. Do you have that sign on the door to your house?
Do you have metal detectors at your front door?
Do you ask your guests if they have weapons?
Would you allow a police officer to enter your home if he was wearing a gun?
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