As most know, James Carville is pretty smart and pithy even though he looks more and more like a space alien each day and you have to wade through a lot of hot air and putting a pretty face on dem issues in order to hear something new out of him. Usually I just tune him out unless he is going to say something new.
Anyway, I was listening to CNN for a minute last night and I was surprised to hear him flat-footed say that if the dems do not pass some kind of bill before the next election that they are going to get "slaughtered" and will lose the majority in both the Senate and House. Holy Shoot, he is really talking over the heads of the republicans and trying to put the fear of god into the dems. I haven't heard any republican pundit seriously say that the majorities could be turned around so he is really sabre rattling with the base. He usually plays the role of trying to pretty up any disaster going on. On the other hand he does speak from experience here and as you recall President Bubba also warned that the one thing they learned was that "half a loaf was better than none."
He went on to say that the major reversal in '94 came about not because Hillary proposed hillarycare but because she got nothing passed, not even some crumbs, and that once that happens the public sees you as powerless and a feeding frenzy begins. Of course, there is no love between the Obama camp and Carville who is still loyal to Hillary and miffed about the way the dems threw her under the bus so he is working some baggage and some angles too.
Nevertheless, tis always good to take a quick break from criticizing the dems and watch them cannabalize each other and try to fend off a panic. Probably Obama and Pelosi will try to pick out a few consensus areas and try to get them passed piecemeal in order to fend off the aforementioned problem. Then the repubs will say that we need to "comprehensive reform" so that we moving to a plan and know where we are headed rather than just tacking on new programs. Translation: Biding time to the election. Gotta love it.
Olympia was Obama's ticket to the half-loaf but he decided to let Harry Reid scorn her. Obama can always go back and court Olympia again if he likes finding out what it like trying to make up to a scorned woman. I will pass on that myself. It is only slightly less painful than running into a brick wall at 80mph. Keep in mind that although Olympia is a RINO, she is nevertheless a Republican so if they reclaim Washington her star just keeps rising given all of her seniority. And you Senator Reid and Pres. Obama? How does it work out for you?
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In all seriousness, I think many people would appreciate seeing some actual reforms happening NOW as a result of this administration's leadership (can we just start with Medicare/Medicaid?)
When campaigning the pols yak yak yak about all that they will do once they get elected - "We're gonna change this and that, y'all" - and then once elected, it's SOS, just another day.
So....just because a particular bill is having some difficulties here and there, doesn't mean other things can't be done.
Carville knows that millions of people that voted for Obama are going to turn on him in droves if Obama does not get the USA out of Iraq and Afghanistan fast. If Obama sends more soldiers over to Afghanistan the democrats will get destroyed in the mid term elections next fall. Its as simple as that.
Carville knows that millions of people that voted for Obama are going to turn on him in droves if Obama does not get the USA out of Iraq and Afghanistan fast. If Obama sends more soldiers over to Afghanistan the democrats will get destroyed in the mid term elections next fall. Its as simple as that.
That was Clinton's rallying cry. "It's the economy, stupid".
The economy was the battle ground issue in yesterday's election. It will continue to be for several months.
In spite of what Wall St pundits say, we are just beginning to see the beginning of bank failures. The FDIC is in trouble and the new fee & reserve requirements are forcing the banks that can, and want to make loans, to hold back.
Commercial loans are going to start falling apart in the first quarter of 2010. Watch for unemployment to continue to rise and probably spike in the 12% range by next spring.
This is not a pretty picture and is not going to favor the incumbent party in next years election.
Carville is a brilliant guy even though he went to LSU and has as good a handle on American politics as anyone. He is one of the few who could hold his own with Tim Russert and when he talks, people listen.
Yes, he is good at spin and a fiercely loyal Clintonista, but the guy knows his stuff.
I doubt Obama and company are bright enough to heed his warnings and that is good for the rest of us.
I think we could be in real trouble - an entire economy reset is in order.
Consumers can only buy so much stuff and take on so much debt before it comes to and end. Can't buy any more junk.
When you can't buy more junk and take on any more debt that causes companies to lay off or fail entirely.
Then it spins; more people earning less = more people spending less = more unemployment = even more spending less.
We are going to have to move from consumerism to a savings-based society.
This issue has nothing to do with political parties. Not more than 40 years ago we had a huge manufacturing base. That is now all but gone which means far less jobs available for the lower middle class.
We are just not starting to see the drastic affect of not producing goods and if you think it's bad now just wait 20 years.
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Carville knows that millions of people that voted for Obama are going to turn on him in droves if Obama does not get the USA out of Iraq and Afghanistan fast. If Obama sends more soldiers over to Afghanistan the democrats will get destroyed in the mid term elections next fall. Its as simple as that.
I don't think so.
I agree with Carville totally in that if there is no Healthcare ... I mean insurance "freebee," Barry will go the way of painter paints. Just another fad that was real happening at the time, but not an enduring fashion staple.
It is more about this to Bo's buttwipe bridgade than anything else. That and employment. They are too wrapped up in themselves to really think a whole lot about Iraq, Afghanistan or Iran for that matter, much less anything geopolitical, but when you cut into their money, well that's different story.
Further, I say its starting to unravel, finally, N.J. and VA ... the iceberg tip.
I have never seen more brilliant tactical manouvering then that recent tv add where the narrator comments that the economy is too unstable to support the HR bill as the employer calls someone into his office, his co - workers looking at him with pity, I don't think our boy was in for a job promotion? And it's true. Besides our end of this, I do not think that sticking one 6th of the economy into gridlock is really going to promote business and job growth at this time?
Besides people "waiting to see what is going to happen," before they cowboy up and apply for coverage, how many others are waiting to start or invest in their current or new businesses? Stimulate that Reverend Wrong.
Too much to fast Obamadolf. First work on the economy, then the health insurance ... I mean healthcare situation.
Too much at once means NOTHING gets acomplished, you look powerless, not too mention useless to the electorate and its back to community organizing for you come 2014. Hey, at least you had that book deal? Barry, ever hear the one about the father and son bull looking down a hill at a field of cows? Timing Kenyan ... timing.
We are going to have to move from consumerism to a savings-based society.
This issue has nothing to do with political parties. Not more than 40 years ago we had a huge manufacturing base. That is now all but gone which means far less jobs available for the lower middle class.
We are just not starting to see the drastic affect of not producing goods and if you think it's bad now just wait 20 years.
This has been happening already, the savings rate is up from being a negative number. There is still a tremendous amount of debt out there that needs to paid off or written off for things to turn around. I see the U.S. on a path similar to England, they essentially drove the manufacturing base out of the country by making too many demands. They are essentially a serviced based economy at this point.
INS DAVE SAID- "I don't think so.
I agree with Carville totally in that if there is no Healthcare ... I mean insurance "freebee," Barry will go the way of painter paints. Just another fad that was real happening at the time"
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If joe citizen is as dumb as a sheep and as gullible as you make him out to be then why do we have a forum like this full of insurance agents/MGA's hunting here for prospects on the internet when they could just walk out the front door and sell all those sheep? Seriously come on! Most people are not dumb enough to expect Obama to be able to fix problems like the economy and health care which have been messed up for decades. Most people know that it would take a miracle worker to fix those things. Obama beat out clinton because he was against the wars. Hillary was a shoe in to win the presidency and she screwed it up by voting to go to war in Iraq. Obama got the nod over Hillary because he promised to end the nonsense in the middle east and if he does not do it fast he will be gone .
I posted this before but there are ugly realities if we want manufacturing back since we have to compete in the global market.
Factory workers cannot be middle class - they can barely be lower middle. They don't own homes or cars - you basically warehouse them like China, Japan, India, etc...
Our society is not prepared to accept that. Liberals would have a a heart attack if someone watching bottles travel down a conveyor belt didn't own a $200,000 home and earn $22/hr.
Factory workers cannot be middle class - they can barely be lower middle. They don't own homes or cars - you basically warehouse them like China, Japan, India, etc...
Our society is not prepared to accept that. Liberals would have a a heart attack if someone watching bottles travel down a conveyor belt didn't own a $200,000 home and earn $22/hr.
Health insurance workers after reform is passed cannot be middle class - they can barely be lower middle. They don't own homes or cars - you basically warehouse them like coal miners in Kentucky or farmers in South "Redneck" Carolina.
Neo-cons are prepared to accept that. Neo-cons would be overjoyed to see someone watching bottles travel down a conveyor belt live in a cardboard box and earn fifty cents an hr.
INS DAVE SAID- "I don't think so.
I agree with Carville totally in that if there is no Healthcare ... I mean insurance "freebee," Barry will go the way of painter paints. Just another fad that was real happening at the time"
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Carville is a brilliant guy even though he went to LSU and has as good a handle on American politics as anyone. He is one of the few who could hold his own with Tim Russert and when he talks, people listen.
Yes, he is good at spin and a fiercely loyal Clintonista, but the guy knows his stuff.
I doubt Obama and company are bright enough to heed his warnings and that is good for the rest of us.
INS DAVE SAID- "I don't think so.
I agree with Carville totally in that if there is no Healthcare ... I mean insurance "freebee," Barry will go the way of painter paints. Just another fad that was real happening at the time"
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If joe citizen is as dumb as a sheep and as gullible as you make him out to be then why do we have a forum like this full of insurance agents/MGA's hunting here for prospects on the internet when they could just walk out the front door and sell all those sheep? Seriously come on! Most people are not dumb enough to expect Obama to be able to fix problems like the economy and health care which have been messed up for decades. Most people know that it would take a miracle worker to fix those things. Obama beat out clinton because he was against the wars. Hillary was a shoe in to win the presidency and she screwed it up by voting to go to war in Iraq. Obama got the nod over Hillary because he promised to end the nonsense in the middle east and if he does not do it fast he will be gone .
You and I, like myself and Al differ greatly in terms of personal philosophy.
You come onto this forum with no ins. background making broad sweeping comments about said industry and the people in it. Last Friday, I was having a drink at a place up the road. Hadn’t been there in over 6 mos. I had no interest in talking about H.C.R. but, of course inevitably, the questions started. “Hey Dave … how’s business?” “What do you think of this Healthcare reform issue, etc?”
While speaking with a former ins. agent about how health insurance was only one piece in the total economic makeup of the U.S. and that having the govt. phase out private industry and take it over would only increase costs and in doing also create rationing etc., we are interrupted by someone who chimes in with “Yeah, that would make us a civilized country …”
You get me? This character isn’t even trying to understand this situation or get a handle on it. He, like millions of others just wants to be self righteous and blurt out blanket statements like the aforementioned. He wants to be taken care of.
Personally, I have mixed views on the occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. I’m not sure removing Hussein and the following actions were or are worth the costs, but that is a separate issue. "Joe citizen" has no immediate skin in the game ... its an afterthought to them.
Plenty of coverage has been “sold,” plenty more will be once this gridlock loosens up.
You talk about “Joe citizen.” “Joe” has his head so far up his / her own butt that it is amazing that he / she don’t suffocate. Perhaps that is what is happening with the economy right now. That same former ins. agent that I spoke of earlier, who is in that bar 3 days a week, smokes, etc. hasn’t paid his mortgage and is facing foreclosure. He, like millions of self serving other “Joe citizens,” took out a variable interest mortgage and now, due to his (their) greed is in a bad situation. “Seemed like a good idea at the time…”
Frankly, except for the fact that this degree of avarice was so widespread that it caused the current economic problems for everyone, I find it hard to give a gypsy’s for people like this. They are going to learn the hard way time and time again. This type of person is everywhere. They: cut you off in traffic while on the cell phone, park their shopping cart in the middle of the aisle, (oblivious to the fact that others are also trying to shop for food and may need to get by) and like yesterday, try to jump in line in front of you at the computer repair store.
More, more, more … how do you like it, how do you like it …?
Recalibration time America. But that won't happen because stupid cannot be fixed so ultimately all will find their own level.
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Take the diapers off Al 3! We don't need to go crying to mommy over Ins Dave's childish insults! Dave is a raving lunatic I rather enjoy watching him dig himself in deep! I mean anytime some fool tries to support his ideas by events and conversations that occurred in a bar its getting pretty funny.
INS DAVE SAID- "You come onto this forum with no ins. background making broad sweeping comments about said industry and the people in it"
Nobody hates conceited boasting insurance agents more then me. That being said I take a deep pride in the fact that I make a good enough living at selling insurance that i dont have to crawl into forums on the internet like this one and try to con unsuspecting new agents into contracting underneath me. If I dont sell another insurance policy for the next 3 years I will still get along fine on my renewals. II sold every one of those policies the old fashioned way by earning the sale not by going on the internet and recruiting agents to work for me. Those that can do and those that cant try to trick those that can to work for them. Not that Im saying you are like this Dave but many losers in this forum are here for no other reason and I have not an ounce of respect for them They are losers masquerading as insurance agents and frankly I dont like it. Once again Dave Im not saying you are one of those creepy crawlers. All I know about you dave is you call Obama 'barry" ha ha ha ha and are one hell of a rant and raver............To that I say bring it hard and bring it long and let the party begin!
Take the diapers off Al 3! We don't need to go crying to mommy over Ins Dave's childish insults!
Yeah, we do have to alert the list-owner as he has said that he is fine with differences of opinion, even passionate ones, but he is drawing the line at direct, personal ad hominem, pejorative name calling.
He does not want me to call someone an asshole (I'm going cold turkey here!!) and told me to let him know what posts by what people make attacks on me and he will enforce the same rules on them as he wants me to follow.
It's up to you how you want to handle it. You already know how I'm handling it. Your choice.
[quote=al3;201310]Yeah, we do have to alert the list-owner as he has said that he is fine with differences of opinion, even passionate ones, but he is drawing the line at direct, personal ad hominem, pejorative name calling.
He does not want me to call someone an asshole (I'm going cold turkey here!!) and told me to let him knowwhat posts by what people make attacks on me and he will enforce the same rules on them as he wants me to follow.
It's up to you how you want to handle it. You already know how I'm handling it. Your choice.
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Well, that's typical.
In his own way Al conceids yet another defeat. We like your creative ranting and occaisional insight, but we don't like your hurtful name calling, and of course Mr. mamby pamby socialist sell out himself is right in there suckling at the teet of Melmunch.
Considering what this country is more than flirting with these days, and what the hater of Neocon's is supporting, this is not surprising.
Personally, I like being called a Neocon. It's hilarious.
I don't see eveybody here getting all "upset" over that? I see other "forumers" laughing about it. Ala, is that a "neocon alert?" etc.
THE REST OF YOU NEOCONS BETTER CHIME IN ON THIS UNLESS YOU WANT THIS KIND OF SOCIALISTIC BACK DOOR MONITORING ON THIS FORUM by the likes of ALovelylad?
Even Yoda acknowledges that it is silly with his "take the diapers off AL"(good one by the way) crack.
Yo Munchkin, could you guys be any more flambe?
I'll tell you something. The secret to failure is trying to please everybody.
Munchmeat, at least have the sense to not "edit" this email until the other formers have an opportunity to state whether or not they support freedom of expression?
Can you not see that this is just another way big Al is trying to piss everyone off? He can't win an arguement to save his life so he figures he will just ruin this forum for everyone by doing the brown nose boogie with you in order to make the forum nice and homogenous and safe (i.e.) boring.
What is this, a bridge club?
Yo Munchkin, could you guys be any more flambe?
I'll tell you something. The secret to failure is trying to please everybody. Munchmeat, at least have.... Can you not see that this is just another way big Al is trying to piss everyone off?
It's real simple dave. The list-owner wants the rhetoric dialed down a notch and one way to do that is to request/require that people no longer call each other pejorative names.
You can still disapprove of me and I of you. But you can't call me a #$%^ and I can't call you a *&^%$.
Why is that so difficult to understand, and why (so far) is it only you and Yoda who object to this?
I think it is a reasonable requirement. I think the vast majority of others here do as well.
If you can't or won't deal with it perhaps you should move to a different forum or perhaps start your own where YOU moderate.
And calling the list-owner "munchmeat" is probably not the best way to make your argument with him.
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