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Old 12-17-2008, 11:07 AM   #1
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I just had a client who had a colon polyp rider on a policy. My fist impression is no way could I recomend this to a client. If they were to be diagnosed with colon cancer there might be a big gap in their policy. I don't see how I could possibly advise the clint to accept. Anybody have any input?
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:40 AM   #2
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Who is the carrier?

Golden Rule usually writes a rider that is limited to the specific condition.

You can also look at carriers that don't rider, like Aetna, and see what happens.

Much depends on how recent the polyps are, if this is a repeat problem, how big they were and how they were treated (if at all).

I had a guy last year that was either rejected or ridered for a repeat bout of polyps. We ended up putting him with KP. No rider, small rate up, but full coverage.
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Old 12-17-2008, 11:54 AM   #3
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Are they considering replacing coverage without this exclusion?
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Old 12-17-2008, 01:58 PM   #4
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The carrier is Golden Rule. It just threw me off . I have seen a lot of riders ( in the last year I have been selling insurance) but I could not imagine anyone taking it.

My next choice was going to be Aetna or possibly BCBS, they are looking at HSA's.
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Old 12-17-2008, 02:05 PM   #5
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I just had the same issue with a client - Humana and GR both wanted to rider and rather than take the chance later on of a claim being denied (client had family history of colon cancer), we're going with Anthem BC/BS, who said he may still be able to get a Level 1 rating with no other issues. Everything covered from the first day of coverage.
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Old 12-17-2008, 03:55 PM   #6
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Read the rider. It may not be as bad as you think.

Get as much info as possible & pre-screen with Aetna & Blue. What state are you in? Generally, Blue is not as crazy as they once were but I have had some real surprises lately. Seems they must have rehired some of the underwriters from Coventry . . .
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Old 12-17-2008, 08:27 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by somarco View Post
Read the rider. It may not be as bad as you think.

Get as much info as possible & pre-screen with Aetna & Blue. What state are you in? Generally, Blue is not as crazy as they once were but I have had some real surprises lately. Seems they must have rehired some of the underwriters from Coventry . . .

In Georgia, I am awaiting the rider to see how bad it really is. According to the claims department it all has to do with the way it is coded. If the the claim has a certain code that pertains to polyps then too bad.
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Old 12-18-2008, 07:49 AM   #8
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If in the KP catchment area, look at them.
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Old 12-18-2008, 08:43 AM   #9
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Other than in a medical or insurance forum, where would a colon polyp rider be nothing more than an inappropriate gay reference?
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Old 12-18-2008, 08:52 AM   #10
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I would not sell that rider unless the client has a substantial net worth.

Put the biz with Anthem
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Old 12-18-2008, 09:32 AM   #11
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Blue will probably reject.

Unoperated is a decline.

Operated within 5 yrs is subject to medical review; over 5 yrs std.

Even if they took him, their HSA sucks.
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Old 12-18-2008, 10:38 AM   #12
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Blue will probably reject.

Unoperated is a decline.

Operated within 5 yrs is subject to medical review; over 5 yrs std.

Even if they took him, their HSA sucks.
They might be a decline depending on the history of the condition but Anthem's Lumenos HSA is a good product.

Are you selling that non profit Anthem blues?
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Old 12-18-2008, 12:20 PM   #13
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The Lumenos (individual) product is not available here yet. I understand it is decent.

They do have the sm group product.

Other plans from Anthem/Blue are pretty lame and overpriced.
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Old 12-18-2008, 01:02 PM   #14
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Anthem FlexChoice in VA is a pretty solid product and the standard rates are almost always better than the other carriers....the only real negative aspect is the $5k annual max on prescriptions and $500 per script/10k OOP for "specialty" drugs (injections, etc.).
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Old 12-18-2008, 03:34 PM   #15
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All of those factors are relevant, but i would think the most important issue is was it BIOPSIED, and if so, was the polyp
Benign (not "pre-cancerous), or not benign. That issue
Is somewhat related to "size"....very small ones are less
Likely to be pre-cancerous....but they still can be.
I know people who had colonoscopies with well-qualified (board-cert.) gastroent's, and when small polyps were found, they were "burned off" (removed....fumulgated),
But NOT biopsied.



Originally Posted by somarco View Post
Who is the carrier?

Golden Rule usually writes a rider that is limited to the specific condition.

You can also look at carriers that don't rider, like Aetna, and see what happens.

Much depends on how recent the polyps are, if this is a repeat problem, how big they were and how they were treated (if at all).

I had a guy last year that was either rejected or ridered for a repeat bout of polyps. We ended up putting him with KP. No rider, small rate up, but full coverage.

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Old 12-19-2008, 11:00 AM   #16
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Originally Posted by somarco View Post
Blue will probably reject.

Unoperated is a decline.

Operated within 5 yrs is subject to medical review; over 5 yrs std.

Even if they took him, their HSA sucks.

Why do you say that the Blues HSA sucks Somarco?
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Old 12-19-2008, 11:44 AM   #17
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Originally Posted by riskybiz View Post
I just had a client who had a colon polyp rider on a policy. My fist impression is no way could I recomend this to a client. If they were to be diagnosed with colon cancer there might be a big gap in their policy. I don't see how I could possibly advise the clint to accept. Anybody have any input?
Why was this issue raised? Did the client have a colonoscopy where a polyp was found, or was there just a family history of colon cancer?
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