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A guy wants to get started in the final expense market selling Insurance. He is licensed with a couple of companies but has no money ...


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Old 07-12-2008, 06:50 PM   #1
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A guy wants to get started in the final expense market selling Insurance. He is licensed with a couple of companies but has no money to buy leads and little money for gas. What serious advice would you give him to put money in his pocket the first week? Would you send him out door knocking or to get a job until he has enough money saved to buy leads and fill his tank with gas?
Curious of your thoughts. Thanks.
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Old 07-12-2008, 06:54 PM   #2
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The latter, by far.
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The latter, by far.

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Old 07-12-2008, 07:05 PM   #4
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So why do you say that? The guys spends Monday and Tuesday going on looking for a job. Wednesday he gets several interviews and two say he can start next Monday $10 an hour 40 hours a week and they will pay him in two weeks.

Or he can go out door knocking say in Sulphur Springs and find one person that needs life insurance and will pay $40 a month bank draft on a 100% contract 12 months advancing. If he keeps going and averages 1.5 sales a week, how is he not better off selling from day one?
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Old 07-12-2008, 07:07 PM   #5
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Sounds like you've already got the answer you want.

Why ask?
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Old 07-12-2008, 07:22 PM   #6
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1 to see if there is agreement in my advice and
2 to help work on demographics to pick a neighborhood to go door knocking.

If I was in Tampa the Sulphur Springs neighborhood would be an ideal place to start a new agent off door knocking in my thinking.

In other words, lower middle class to middle middle class neighborhoods...

3 to fine tune the thinking, approach, and anything else to help put money in the guy's pocket

In the multitude of counsellors there is safety...
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Old 07-12-2008, 07:41 PM   #7
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While door knocking was my first idea, I am not married to it and I am certainly open to other ideas as well. What prospecting idea would you be willing to share to get someone earning money next week?
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Old 07-12-2008, 09:57 PM   #8
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I would just go door knocking. Start out at 9 and don't stop till 5. Except for a quick lunch of course. I would also work by appointment only. I would do that by saying something like " Hello, my name is ____with____,I've got several appointments with people in your neighborhood this week concerning the supplement to their social security benefit of $255 , and I just wanted to see if I could set up a time to come by and visit with you about it tomorrow, open your appointment book before they can say anything and say I've got a 10:30 in the morning and a 4:00 in the afternoon, which would be more convenient for you ? " I think this makes you look more professional (that you work by appointment only) and also it shows them that you value their time and that your not desperate and just trying to peddle something. Once you start making appointments, you simply set up more appointments between appointments. Very simple and effective. It has been for me anyway.

I even go so far as to refuse to come in if they tell me they have time to talk right now and invite me in. I say, sorry I've got an appointment with Mr. and Mrs. ____ in 15 minutes but I can pencil you in for tomorrow at 10:30 or would 4:00 be better ? And then I hope like hell they pick one.

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Old 07-12-2008, 10:10 PM   #9
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[COLOR=black]Borrow 60 bucks and purchase a list of names of people 60-77 and (if you have enough money for a phone) make some calls and save your gas. I guarantee that if you call for 8 hours a day, 4 days a week. That on the 5th day you could write $100 (minimum) worth of monthly premium, earning you approx $900 front money.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]The problem is that you have to be self-motivated, have a strong work ethic, and drive to be successful in the Insurance game. I don’t know you, but if you don’t have those qualities, save yourself the hassle and run to that $10 an hour job.[/COLOR]

Good Luck!!!

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Old 07-12-2008, 11:52 PM   #10
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I agree with your need for drive to be successful.

What script do you use to make the phone calls?
In running the $255 leads I have found that even when they are fresh most seniors deny sending them in and even when you show it to them they try to figure out an excuse. I have had them tear them from my hands even. I think its harder to tell me no when I am standing there at their door smiling with a copy of the card they mailed in BUT I spend a lot of gas driving around to be told NO or to not have someone answer the door, so please tell me more!
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Old 07-13-2008, 02:17 AM   #11
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[COLOR=black]It seems like are really stressed out. And if you put off that vibe on a message board it must be overwhelming when you are trying to sell something.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Every salesman has had people deny sending cards in, rip cards up, slam doors, hang-up on them, cuss at them...ect.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]The great salesman is able to go on to the next house, after having a door slammed in his face, as if it never happened. Maintaining his confidence and composure, and keep working! If these seniors sense a chink in your Armour, or your begging for sales they will tear you apart.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]If somebody slams the door on you... Great they saved you a lot of time, because they were not going to buy anyway. Now you can move on and find a quality prospect.[/COLOR]

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He might want to get weekend or third shift job that will pay the bills and pay for business expenses.

This might be a better way to go in the beginning. I worked thirds and weekends until I got my business going. It is tiring, but motivating. It was also the only way that I would have the money to live and also be available during the day to build my book.
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Old 07-13-2008, 07:46 AM   #13
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That is often the question! Whether to get a part time job on weekends of go out selling over the weekend and find those people not at home during the week and make a sell or two! Saturday has been a great day for me to sell but I have never tried Sunday.
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Old 07-13-2008, 08:06 AM   #14
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Originally Posted by HoosierDaddy View Post
[COLOR=black]It seems like are really stressed out. And if you put off that vibe on a message board it must be overwhelming when you are trying to sell something.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]Every salesman has had people deny sending cards in, rip cards up, slam doors, hang-up on them, cuss at them...ect.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]The great salesman is able to go on to the next house, after having a door slammed in his face, as if it never happened. Maintaining his confidence and composure, and keep working! If these seniors sense a chink in your Armour, or your begging for sales they will tear you apart.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=black]If somebody slams the door on you... Great they saved you a lot of time, because they were not going to buy anyway. Now you can move on and find a quality prospect.[/COLOR]
Sorry if that comes across as being stressed. To me it speaks of reality. I was just contrasting the at the door experience to the phone call and thinking out loud which way might be smarter to follow considering today's high gas prices! In other words is being "old school" and running the leads better or worse than taking the time to call? You seemed to suggest calling was better so rather than reinvent the wheel I was wondering if you had a tried and true script that you might share that works better in the senior market? In calling seniors I would still think that calling mornings would be better than calling evenings in general while in the under age market evenings might still be best.

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It is a misconception that Seniors get up early or want to only be called on early in the morning.

I suggest doing both, get a job and cold call when you are not on the job. Cover your bases, you can not afford failure so hedge your bets and work both as hard as you can. Something good is bound to happen and your odds of that are doubled by buying some time to succeed.
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Originally Posted by Alston View Post
He might want to get weekend or third shift job that will pay the bills and pay for business expenses.

This might be a better way to go in the beginning. I worked thirds and weekends until I got my business going. It is tiring, but motivating. It was also the only way that I would have the money to live and also be available during the day to build my book.
Some very good, pragmatic advice here.

It was the point I was trying to make (althought Alston is more eloquent), but it seems like the initial poster already had his mind made up!
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A bit of advice of you're talking about residential door knocking from someone who was a regional manager of a door-to-door marketing company for 5 years.

It is not if but when you'll get the police called if you're knocking on residential doors....especially if you're going to target seniors.

Any type of managed property is out. You won't get to the 20th door before someone calls the PM company and the cops show up.

Many localities require you to have a solicitors permit even if you're not actually selling goods at the door. Check, because when "5.0" rolls up and asks for your permit and you don't have one you'll receive a ticket or summons to appear.

If you want to get combative with the cop who happens to be having a bad day then you'll be in the back seat. I can't tell you how many times I got a call from lock-up.

We had to get get permits for almost every area we were in which was a huge pain.

So just be diligent. Before heading out knock on doors:

1) Stay out of managed properties
2) Do not knock on doors after dark
3) Check to see if you need a permit
4) Obey no soliciting signs
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:27 AM   #18
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I think that the initial poster demonstrates determination and resolve that the position of selling insurance is the high road. As a manager I think my position is to instill and demonstrate belief in both my product and my industry. In other words just because I have no leads this week is no excuse for not going out there and making things happen. On top of that if I can demonstrate and transfer to my new recruit my belief that selling insurance is a superior profession by demonstrating how with even no leads we can put money in our pockets from week one then I believe the odds of him or her washing out will greatly be reduced. It works, I have demonstrated in the field that it works, now you have a track to run so make a decision to do it and go do it!
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I think a second or third shift job or a weekend job is the way to go. You are correct that IF one can make one or two sales weekly they will be fine but the problem is IF. A job delivers a guaranteed pay check but sometime insurance is cyclical. Haven't all of us went for stretches where the pickings were slim and then we would have a string of successes. The problem is if one has no money a 1-2 week dry spell will finish them off. They will only survive if they get very lucky and if they are newbies the learning curve can take a while.
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Old 07-13-2008, 09:34 AM   #20
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A bit of advice of you're talking about residential door knocking from someone who was a regional manager of a door-to-door marketing company for 5 years.

It is not if but when you'll get the police called if you're knocking on residential doors....especially if you're going to target seniors.

Any type of managed property is out. You won't get to the 20th door before someone calls the PM company and the cops show up.
Well here's the GOOD news...the Sulphur Springs neighborhood he's talkin' about here in Tampa doesn't have any "managed properties" for sure...

As for TPD showing up...just pray you don't end up in the Orient Road Jail...especially in a wheelchair!



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