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I got a junk fax today from American First Financial ( Equipment Financing | Equipment Leasing | Business Equipment Leasing | Financing Solutions ) who ...


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Old 09-16-2009, 03:41 PM   #1
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I got a junk fax today from American First Financial (Equipment Financing | Equipment Leasing | Business Equipment Leasing | Financing Solutions) who wants to help finance leased equipment.

They claim they contacted me earlier but they never did.

In small print at bottom they said that if I don't want to receive faxes I should register with National Do-Not-Fax Registry

I have a sneaking suspicion that if you do this you end up on a list that says "this is a good fax number so blast away!" Anyone head of this registry?
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Old 09-16-2009, 04:29 PM   #2
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Al: You can still legally fax blast. The National Do not call fax list is legitimate from what I know. Faxing services monitor this to take you off the list. They do this as a service for those who buy the faxing service to market.
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Old 09-16-2009, 05:01 PM   #3
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You cannot fax blast into California. It's a $250 fine per fax.

I found that out the hard way a few years ago.

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Old 09-17-2009, 09:26 AM   #4
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I was told you can't fax blast and was shown the law.

I got an auto dialer call me yesterday to try and sell me something. I wonder if they have busted anyone yet for doing this?
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Old 09-17-2009, 08:11 PM   #5
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I was told you can't fax blast and was shown the law.

I got an auto dialer call me yesterday to try and sell me something. I wonder if they have busted anyone yet for doing this?
I just had a robo-call five minutes ago. There wasn't even a "Press 9 to get off the list." I was to leave a voice message on how much government stimulus money my "small business" wanted. (Honest.) I left them a message saying I was going to call a lawyer and sue them for $11,000... followed by "Have a blessed day."

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Old 09-23-2009, 11:15 PM   #6
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I get those "buy health insurance" faxes at least once at week - although my number is one of those e-faxes, so it automatically gets converted into a pdf and sent to my email instead.

I too have been skeptical of opting out assuming it was a scam, but if you think about it - most fax machines will report back if a fax worked or not. So I bet they'd already have that information without my input.
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:23 PM   #7
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It is illegal to send any fax without a prior business relationship. Keep a copy of the fax and you can send it along with your complaint to the FCC.

This is what the FCC has posted:
Amended Fax Rules and Established Business Relationship Exemption
The rules provide that it is unlawful to send unsolicited advertisements to any fax machine, including those at both businesses and residences, without the recipient’s prior express invitation or permission. Fax advertisements, however, may be sent to recipients with whom the sender has an EBR, as long as the fax number was provided voluntarily by the recipient. Specifically, a fax advertisement may be sent to an EBR customer if the sender also:
  • Obtains the fax number directly from the recipient, through, for example, an application, contact information form, or membership renewal form; or
  • Obtains the fax number from the recipient’s own directory, advertisement, or site on the Internet, unless the recipient has noted on such materials that it does not accept unsolicited advertisements at the fax number in question; or
  • Has taken reasonable steps to verify that the recipient consented to have the number listed, if obtained from a directory or other source of information compiled by a third party.
If the sender had an EBR with the recipient and possessed the recipient’s fax number before July 9, 2005 (the date the Junk Fax Prevention Act became law), the sender may send the fax advertisements without demonstrating how the number was obtained.
Opt-out Notice Requirements
Senders of permissible fax advertisements (those sent under an EBR or with the recipient’s prior express permission) must provide notice and contact information on the fax that allows recipients to “opt-out” of future faxes. The notice must:
  • Be clear and conspicuous and on the first page of the advertisement;
  • State that the recipient may make a request to the sender not to send any future faxes and that failure to comply with the request within 30 days is unlawful; and
  • Include a telephone number, fax number, and cost-free mechanism (including a toll-free telephone number, local number for local recipients, toll-free fax number, Web site address, or e-mail address) to opt-out of faxes. These numbers and cost-free mechanism must permit consumers to make opt-out requests 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
Senders who receive a request not to send further faxes that meets the requirements listed in the next section must honor that request within the shortest reasonable time from the date of the request, not to exceed 30 days. They are also prohibited from sending future fax advertisements to the recipient unless the recipient subsequently provides prior express permission to the sender.
Opt-out Requests By Consumers
To stop unwanted fax advertisements, your “opt-out” request must:
  • Identify the fax number or numbers to which it relates; and
  • Be sent to the telephone number, fax number, Web site address, or e-mail address identified on the fax advertisement.
If you change your mind about receiving fax advertisements, you can subsequently grant express permission to receive faxes from a particular sender, orally or in writing.
Fax Broadcasters
Often fax advertisements are sent in bulk on behalf of a business or entity by separate professional fax broadcasters. Generally, the person or business on whose behalf a fax is sent or whose property, goods, or services are advertised is liable for a violation of the junk fax rules, even if the person or business did not physically send the fax. A fax broadcaster also may be liable if it has a “high degree of involvement” in the sender’s fax message, such as supplying the fax numbers to which the message is sent, providing a source of fax numbers, making representations about the legality of faxing to those numbers, or advising about how to comply with the junk fax rules. Also, if a fax broadcaster is “highly involved” in the sender’s fax messages, the fax broadcaster must provide its name on the fax.
Fax Numbers and the National Do-Not-Call List
Registering a home phone number on the national Do-Not-Call list prevents only telephone solicitations directed to that number, not fax advertisements to your home or business fax number. For more information on our telephone solicitation rules, see our consumer fact sheet at www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/tcpa.html or visit our Web site at www.fcc.gov/cgb/donotcall. The FCC’s junk fax rules nevertheless prohibit fax advertisements unless you have an EBR with the sender or have given your prior express permission to receive the fax advertisements.
How the FCC Can Help
The FCC can issue warning citations and impose fines against companies violating or suspected of violating the junk fax rules, but does not award individual damages. If you have received a fax advertisement from someone who does not have an EBR with you or to whom you have not provided prior express permission to send fax advertisements, you can file a complaint with the FCC. There is no charge for filing a complaint. You can file your complaint using an on-line complaint form found at esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm. You can also file your complaint with the FCC’s Consumer Center by e-mailing fccinfo@fcc.gov; calling 1-888-CALL-FCC(1-888-225-5322) voice or 1-888-TELL-FCC (1-888-835-5322) TTY; faxing 1-866-418-0232; or writing to:
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Old 09-23-2009, 11:49 PM   #8
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Yeah in california i believe you cant fax blast my company does not recieve theses types of faxes but maybe we get a fax like that once a month
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Old 09-24-2009, 04:18 AM   #9
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Nice post Firebird, an attorney friend of mine in Illinois has sent in several junk faxes he received and every so often he gets a check back.
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Originally Posted by Kathy151 View Post
I get those "buy health insurance" faxes at least once at week - although my number is one of those e-faxes, so it automatically gets converted into a pdf and sent to my email instead.

I too have been skeptical of opting out assuming it was a scam, but if you think about it - most fax machines will report back if a fax worked or not. So I bet they'd already have that information without my input.
Kathy:

Have you asnwered the questions about your company asked yesterday yet?

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Old 09-24-2009, 06:20 AM   #11
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Rick...She did not. And without question, she saw the questions and dodged them, as I believe her boss did as well. But she had plenty of time to post about other things.

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I was under the impression that faxing them back 50 pages of black paper was considered my way of asking to be taken off their list
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:17 AM   #13
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Sorry guys - I've been out of town since the 24th (Palm Desert, CA - The Agents Alliance Conference). Man, my lips are dry.

Just an FYI - I don't make a habit of coming back to listings I've commented on - esp something random like a junk fax topic. When I got back to the office this morning I had an email update of new comments on this thread - but definitely don't assume I've read your comment before you accuse me of ignoring them. You're welcome to PM me - probably the most reliable way of being sure I got your question.

Earlier this morning I added your questions in a notepad file on my computer so I wouldn't forget - there are some things I don't personally have the answers to, but I was going to find out. Again, just back from a business trip... playing a little bit of catch up at work today.

I hope I don't need to limit my participation in this forum, but at the moment it seems too easy for undeserved nastiness with the anonymous nature of the Internet.
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Old 09-28-2009, 11:20 AM   #14
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I'm not anonymous. The simple question was whether or not AllwebLeads ever buys or sells leads to other lead vendors. Kind of a simple question.
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:14 PM   #15
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Let me look into this simple question and I will get back to you on it. LOLz

You know no one has every asked me this,, LOL

"The simple question was whether or not AllwebLeads evey buys or sells leads to other lead vendors. "

Can you reword this question to that I can give you an answer that makes no sense or make it look like you ask a hard question that someone that works at the company should not know.

LOL
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Old 09-28-2009, 02:26 PM   #16
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The silence is deafening.
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