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Old 05-01-2008, 09:07 PM   #1
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Old 05-01-2008, 09:27 PM   #2
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It's only slightly better than my results. Big deal!

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Old 05-01-2008, 09:29 PM   #3
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Submitted applications of about 450,000 per year. Yet 550,000 policies on the books.

A lot of NT and turnover.
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Originally Posted by GreenSky View Post
It's only slightly better than my results. Big deal!

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How "slightly"?
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Old 05-01-2008, 09:30 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by CHUMPS FROM OXFORD View Post
Submitted applications of about 450,000 per year. Yet 550,000 policies on the books.

A lot of NT and turnover.
Who cares? Look at how profitable they are!
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Old 05-01-2008, 09:40 PM   #6
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Sounds like Primerica, recruit a 100,000 agents each year and have a 100,000 licensed agents on the books at any given time.
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Old 05-01-2008, 09:41 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by moonlightandmargaritas View Post
How "slightly"?
Depends. If you compare our results to the GNP (or the cost of screwing up Iraq), we're pretty close!
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Old 05-01-2008, 09:58 PM   #8
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Somebody didn't like something. They gave up all their gains today (stock price) in after hours trading. Down 4.63%. And that's after their earnings announcement.

Nice profits nonetheless.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:01 PM   #9
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Look at how profitable they are!
$26,280,000 income

$21,555,000 operating expenses

They earn $122 for every $100 they spend.
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Old 05-01-2008, 10:22 PM   #10
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Interesting numbers. Forget residuals for a moment, though you really shouldn't, but I can't run the numbers with them.

They had revenue of 26.3M and submitted 114,500 apps, meaning they earned $229 per app submitted. Yeah, there is the as earned vs advance, but my guess is they recognize revenue as earned, and that would mean they have a rolling book of business that they are 'earning' from.

This begs the question:
- What is their taken rate? Can't be more than 1 in 2.
- What is their decline rate?
- What is their retention ratio - Has to be in the tank.

Interesting model. All the things we try to avoid, but yet, they make money hand over fist. I'm doing something wrong.

By the way, they spent $9.5M in advertising, on revenue of $26M for the quarter. How many of us spend 36% of our gross revenue to advertise ourselves? There might be a lesson here.

They spent 14% of the revenue on the guy on the other end of the phone, $3.6M. For every dollar spent on the phone talkers, they earned $7.25 (in very round numbers).

Extremely interesting model.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:05 PM   #11
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The $26M is gross revenue from all sources, not just FYC.

Are they making money?

Yes.

But their ROI bites.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:16 PM   #12
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True, only $24M and change was from commission, they didn't divide this up based on service and new business. Given their total 'membership' vs their annualized new apps, I think its safe to assume the bulk of the commission is new business.

You could probably have 20% of it as service. Even 50%, but the higher the service goes, then the attractiveness for them to write new business is really bad. If you remove part of the commission as service, then the cost of new business goes up, and it also means the taken rate has to be even lower.

Of course, we all think of the fact we need to make money on policies we write. It is likely that they are willing to spend a significant amount more to help get better deals on services. They are still a seriously growing company.

Still an interesting business model.
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Old 05-01-2008, 11:27 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by somarco View Post
$26,280,000 income

$21,555,000 operating expenses

They earn $122 for every $100 they spend.
I think taking 18% to the bottom line would be considered very healthy by most business experts.
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Old 05-02-2008, 01:07 AM   #14
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This is like my golf pro comparing his earnings to Phil Mickelson's -it's here nor there.
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Acquisition cost per individual on IFP submitted applications (16) $ 55.41

16) Calculated as marketing and advertising expenses for the period (see
note (9) above) divided by the number of [COLOR=olive]individuals[/COLOR] on IFP
applications submitted on eHealth's website during the period. [COLOR=darkorange]This
metric may not reflect the true acquisition cost.[/COLOR]
Just as I've suspected all along. Fuzzy math

Apparently, they are breaking down most of their number into "mouths." Example: One family application has mom, dad, two kids. That isn't "one" application to them -- it is four. As in 4 "individuals."

So if the average family is 2.6 people, their acquisition cost is something like $144 per application. And then on top of that, you figure in their "bounce" rate which is hideous. Like 3 out of 4. Although they had 114,000 applications for the QUARTER, they only had 115,000 new "members" for the YEAR. A placement ratio of 1:4, meaning that 3 out of every 4 applications submitted is declined, rejected, etc.

So if you multiply out their acquisition cost on placed business, not submitted which is what is reported, they may be spending something like $576 PER POLICY (144 x 4).

An efficient business model?

Hardly.
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Members?
What the hell is that? How exactly does one become a "member" of ehealth?

Is ehealth some new fangled version of a Blue Cross association or something?

MEMBERS?

How freakin' misleading is that?

Somebody ought to sue these airheads.
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eHealthInsurance offers thousands of health plans underwritten by more than 175 of the nation's leading health insurance companies.
More than 175 "of" the nation's leading health insurance companies?
There AREN'T 175 health insurance companies to start with!

How in the hell are those idiots coming up with that? This is something I have seriously contemplated bringing to the attention of Ins. Comm's in several states. This is underhanded unfair competition. They create the false impression that they have many "secret" plans or companies that other licensed agencies don't have or can't get for some reason.

Remember--health insurance is regulated on a state to state basis. When a resident of Nebraska logs onto ehealth, the impression is being created that ehealth offers health insurance plans from "more than 175" different insurance companies.
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EHTH: Competitors for EHEALTH, INC. - Yahoo! Finance

That's the standard list of "competitors" for ehealth.

Competitors?
Allianz?
Nippon Life?

See anything in common?

They are being "compared" to insurance COMPANIES. Why has everyone been brainwashed into thinking ehealth is something other than what it is--an insurance AGENCY.

Competitors? You want a list of actual competitors? Try this:

Don Smith, insurance agent, Atlanta GA (pays norvax $350 month to operate an online quoting service)

Bubba Joe Watkins, insurance broker, Deerfield, IL (pays Quotit $175 for a quoting engine in 3 states).

Scheez, and you guys thought I had a burr in my saddle about G/R.
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safe to assume the bulk of the commission is new business.
No argument here. Of course it is all speculation but has some veracity. Carriers that work with eHealth (and similar entities) enjoy a love-hate relationship.

They love the premium.

Hate the not taken rates and low persistency. Also there is more service required by the HO vs. agent produced business.

18% to the bottom line would be considered very healthy by most business experts.
True, if you are looking at profit margins.

Their cost of acquisition is quite high, much higher than any agent. A bit surprised they only wrote 114,500 new apps. Just a wag, but their not taken rate could be in the 20% range and 6 month persistency (on non STM biz) is probably low as well.

I think if you were to break it all down you would see a business model that really isn't all that impressive compared to a full service agent. It is good for what it is but nothing that is a threat to a good agent.


There AREN'T 175 health insurance companies
I haven't counted them in a while, but you probably have at least 60 Blue plans. Add in carriers that operate in one state by UHC another
As AMS and still another as GR. Coventry is in something like 18 different states, each one is a separate company. KP is a separate company in each state where they operate.

Don't confuse common ownership with operating as a separate company.
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Originally Posted by jbage007 View Post
Competitors? You want a list of actual competitors? Try this:

Don Smith, insurance agent, Atlanta GA (pays norvax $350 month to operate an online quoting service)

Bubba Joe Watkins, insurance broker, Deerfield, IL (pays Quotit $175 for a quoting engine in 3 states).
Somehow I don't think that ehealth is all that concerned with Don and Bubba as competitors...

Ehealth averages about $9,500,000 in commissions per month. Don and Bubba won't do $9.5 mil in commissions in their lifetime, combined.

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