Absolute Minimum $$$ to Start?

[Todd King]

Please you don't start this too! What I mean is making blanket statements about all recruiters. Yes, there are many that never spent the first day in the field and then there are others who did and expanded into recruiting. Just because a recruiter isn't in the field anymore doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about.[/QUOTE]



It kinda does mean exactly that. Moreso when the only FE production they ever did was a policy here and there. If a recruiter never made their living selling FE fulltime then they are not worth contracting with or listening to.

Well, we know you believe that, but that doesn't make it true. I know you think it does but.....

 

[jdeasy]

Well, we know you believe that, but that doesn't make it true. I know you think it does but.....

Who is the "we" that you speak for?

Just because you are in denial doesn't mean that what I said is not factual.

How could someone that doesn't know how to make a living selling FE train someone else to do so?

It is so stupid to even suggest otherwise that it's not worth discussing. Just your saying it is proof enough.

 

[CoolNameGoesHere]

My responses are delayed for a day or so because I'm new and a moderattor has to approve them.
It's like watching you all have a conversation that I started and not being able to participate.

... working 5-10 high quality leads while working another job is not a bad idea imho either

That might be a good idea. I thought most good IMOs didn't let you work that part time, but have learned of a couple here.

I started out with free leads many years ago. They were TM leads. I still had to figure out how I was going to put gas in my car each day for a while. I didn't eat the whole day simply because I was broke! My point is this...much of this depends on the person that is starting out, their past experiences, their determination, their willingness to learn, and the willingness to do. Money or no money, one or more of these things can push an agent to a regular JOB in a heartbeat.

That's what I'm thinking, I won't be THIS broke. I just won't have money for more leads after the first couple weeks until I start producing.

Yea but what increases your chances of success. That would be being on a 115-120 contract, only writing full commission carriers. 5k to drop and having a solid 2 months to see if it works.

We're obviously not talking about the optimal situation here.

Nope, it's all good...

Thanks! I've been watching your videos.

All that said, before you spend a penny, get in the car with a few producing agents.

I will DEFINITELY do this.

About being a loser... I can think of a hundred ways somebody can be broke at 50 without being a loser, but I guess some people's minds are too narrow for that. I'm thick skinned enough to not let that lure me into telling the story of my life in an internet forum though, so this is the only comment I will make about that.

Thank you all for your responses. I have been in contact with a couple IMOs and will make a decision soon. Will keep you posted.

 

[Thedude]

Who is the "we" that you speak for?

Just because you are in denial doesn't mean that what I said is not factual.

How could someone that doesn't know how to make a living selling FE train someone else to do so?

It is so stupid to even suggest otherwise that it's not worth discussing. Just your saying it is proof enough.

Depends on how someone learns and how someone teaches. Some producers can't teach regardless of how much they sell. Can you cater to different personalities and focus on their specific problems? half of my professors taught things they didn't do themselves yet they managed to create people who could do the things they taught.

If someone teaches a system that works why exactly does that person actually have to do the system themselves? If they are fully knowledgeable of everything else?

I do think some field time is necessary though.

Being devils advocate here and want to see what things I'm not thinking of

 

[rousemark]

Depends on how someone learns and how someone teaches. Some producers can't teach regardless of how much they sell. Can you cater to different personalities and focus on their specific problems? half of my professors taught things they didn't do themselves yet they managed to create people who could do the things they taught.

If someone teaches a system that works why exactly does that person actually have to do the system themselves? If they are fully knowledgeable of everything else?

I do think some field time is necessary though.

Being devils advocate here and want to see what things I'm not thinking of

The majority of business professors have never owned a business.

 

[Thedude]

The majority of business professors have never owned a business.

Nope. I'm sitting here trying to figure out why I feel the same as JD but in reality there are many instances where similar circumstances are there but I don't feel the same. I think it has to do with me knowing someone directly makes money off of me so you feel they "have to go through the same things" as I do which isn't what I believe in any other circumstance.

Whether they have trained successful people should be the question not have they sold before ...(which typically goes hand in hand though

 

[springbokhouston]

No offense Rouse but I'd never ask a business professor how to start a small business. These are the chaps responsible for turning out droves of geniuses who are begging for a socialist to run our country.

Entrepreneurship isn't something learned in school, however that's exactly what's required to become successful in this industry.

 

[jdeasy]

Nope. I'm sitting here trying to figure out why I feel the same as JD but in reality there are many instances where similar circumstances are there but I don't feel the same. I think it has to do with me knowing someone directly makes money off of me so you feel they "have to go through the same things" as I do which isn't what I believe in any other circumstance.

Whether they have trained successful people should be the question not have they sold before ...(which typically goes hand in hand though

I specifically said FE. The reason you agree is because you are a person that sells FE for a living so you know what I'm talking about.

Selling FE is not about the book learnin. It's not about the classroom BS or anything you will get from a desk jockey or a company rep.

Long term success in FE comes from an understanding of the FE market and the FE demographic.

There is no one that hasn't done it that will ever grasp that. And it's comical for them to claim otherwise.

Sure you can learn the nuts and bolts and the products from a desk jockey. And maybe that's what they are hanging their hats on?

 

[Thedude]

No offense Rouse but I'd never ask a business professor how to start a small business. These are the chaps responsible for turning out droves of geniuses who are begging for a socialist to run our country.

Entrepreneurship isn't something learned in school, however that's exactly what's required to become successful in this industry.

Baby boomers are responsible for it not professors....by the time professors get to them it's too late

 

[PA Bill]

Please you don't start this too! What I mean is making blanket statements about all recruiters. Yes, there are many that never spent the first day in the field and then there are others who did and expanded into recruiting. Just because a recruiter isn't in the field anymore doesn't mean they don't know what they are talking about.[/QUOTE]



It kinda does mean exactly that. Moreso when the only FE production they ever did was a policy here and there. If a recruiter never made their living selling FE fulltime then they are not worth contracting with or listening to.

Hey JD, a friendly question. If someone were training under you, what would they see? Do you try to say and do the same thing with your appointment setting and presentations (scripted) iwith every lead and in every home? Could another agent learn and repeat your steps and language right down to the close? Is scripted language part of the FEX program?