Montana had a darn chilly summer compared to the past few years, and winter hit hard the second week in October (about two months too soon). My guess is 2009 will be considered a very cool year for my area.
Are these global-warming pinheads going to have a giant sized headache or what?
Montana had a darn chilly summer compared to the past few years, and winter hit hard the second week in October (about two months too soon). My guess is 2009 will be considered a very cool year for my area.
Are these global-warming pinheads going to have a giant sized headache or what?
Not saying global warming doesn't exist but Earth is not millions but billions of years old. We've been tracking weather for what, a hundred years?
It it totally impossibly to track any trend in that frame of time. We'd have to to keep records for oh....a few million years before we could analyze the data.
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I heard somewhere people would rather hear the truth than a lie, but you guys prove that wrong everyday. I am providing a link to nasa's temperature study they just provide charts and graphs (if you can understand charts and graphs that is, I understand the red states dont really invest in education).
I heard somewhere people would rather hear the truth than a lie, but you guys prove that wrong everyday. I am providing a link to nasa's temperature study they just provide charts and graphs (if you can understand charts and graphs that is, I understand the red states dont really invest in education).
Ahh, actually I can read graphs. In fact I would recommend looking at more than one before reaching conclusions. Your graphs show an increase in temperatures in the last 150 years or so and that is not necessarily in dispute. It does not however answer the question that many raise which is whether it is man made or part of a larger natural cycle. It is in fact possible to measure temperature changes through a complex radioisotope reading from ice core samples going back thousands of years. And those readings show a cyclical pattern. Manmade influences may or may not be adding to this but the pattern exists before industrialized carbon output.
Note that the first graph is from the government's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, not from Rush Limbaugh.
Charts and graphs can be dance to any tune. But listen to the actual music because often a chart has meaning underneath what you take as obvious. Here's what some folks in red states take as obvious but not totally scientific (or maybe very scientific):
Nearly all temperature stations are in urban areas. Urban areas have grown in population over the years, cut down their trees, put in AC, and built giant parking lots.
Use some friggin' common sense folks. When I drive out of town to my camp on the woods, the temperatures are always 5 degrees up to 10 degrees cooler than my house in town. Seriously, it will be 80 in the woods and 90 in town most days in the summer.
Is it possible, just possible, that temperatures as read from urban stations are higher because of causes other than across the board global warming?
Someone actually took the trouble to compare areas that have not grown in population and took them out of the "average" for the earth. Guess what? The temperatures in non-urban areas were way below urban areas and actually have not changed in 50 years. Imagine. How very inconvenient for anybody who wants to just look at charts without giving it much thought. Maybe schools in red states are better at teaching folks to think for themselves.
Charts and graphs can be dance to any tune. But listen to the actual music because often a chart has meaning underneath what you take as obvious. Here's what some folks in red states take as obvious but not totally scientific (or maybe very scientific):
Nearly all temperature stations are in urban areas. Urban areas have grown in population over the years, cut down their trees, put in AC, and built giant parking lots.
Use some friggin' common sense folks. When I drive out of town to my camp on the woods, the temperatures are always 5 degrees up to 10 degrees cooler than my house in town. Seriously, it will be 80 in the woods and 90 in town most days in the summer.
Is it possible, just possible, that temperatures as read from urban stations are higher because of causes other than across the board global warming?
Someone actually took the trouble to compare areas that have not grown in population and took them out of the "average" for the earth. Guess what? The temperatures in non-urban areas were way below urban areas and actually have not changed in 50 years. Imagine. How very inconvenient for anybody who wants to just look at charts without giving it much thought. Maybe schools in red states are better at teaching folks to think for themselves.
Anyone who lives in a northern clime knows that, if you are lucky, you will get at least one really warm spell in the middle of winter, the obligatory January Thaw. When I was a kid you would think that that was practically a gift from God. Now when we get a few nice warm days in the middle of the winter everyone starts letting you know how mankind has frigged up and we are all supposed to walk around with a big sorry-arsed look on our faces. Also, it is important in those times to point out that George Bush did not sign the Kyoto Treaty (of Clinton didnt either but I digress). Sheesh. No wonder half the country is on depressants. If you smile or laugh you must be overlooking some global tragedy.
Not saying global warming doesn't exist but Earth is not millions but billions of years old. We've been tracking weather for what, a hundred years?
It it totally impossibly to track any trend in that frame of time. We'd have to to keep records for oh....a few million years before we could analyze the data.
Good post healthagent, I couldn't agree more. You will neither confirm or deny that there is Global warming.
You probably would neither confirm or deny that the Vikings were the first space travelers.
If you start now, you may be able to quantify enough data to prove or disprove the assertion in another 2-6 million years, give or take a few million.
Is it just barely possible that global warming is a way to for some people to line their pockets and garner some fame in the process?
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Global warming -- er, sorry, "Climate Change" (wink wink) is just another piece of the overall puzzle for the American Left. The bottom line is that they "feel" guilty for the freedom & prosperity that we have, and they'd like to bring America down a few notches. See, being free and prosperous just isn't "fair", because other countries are not.
Their strategy is to accomplish this by blaming America for the biggest catastrophes they can come up with, then implementing draconian punishments in retaliation. That will make them "feel" better. Therefore:
The earth is warming: America's fault.
The earth is cooling: America's fault.
The earth is staying the same: America's fault, too hot.
The earth is staying the same: America's fault, too cold.
It's a brilliant strategy. Probably not as brilliant as Political Correctness (Politically Strategic Hypersensitivity), but definitely up there.
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"Humans have only been trying to measure the temperature fairly consistently since about 1880, during which time we think the world may have warmed by about +0.6 °C ± 0.2 °C. As we've already pointed out, the estimate of warming is less than the error margin on our ability to take the Earth's temperature, generally given as 14 °C ± 0.7 °C for the average 1961-1990 while the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) suggest 13.9 °C for their average 1880-2004.
We are pretty sure it was cold before the 1880 commencement of record and we would probably not handle the situation too well if such conditions returned but there has been no demonstrable catastrophic warming while people have been trying to measure the planet's temperature.
If we have really been measuring a warming episode as we think we have, then setting new records for "hottest ever in recorded history" should happen just about every year -- although half a degree over a century is hardly something to write home about -- so there's really nothing exciting about scoring the highest number when looking at such a short history."
Allow me to illustrate just how absurd this all is:
You have a new child and when he's 1 month old you measure him -24 inches. 10 minutes later you measure him again, still 24 inches so now you're concerned.
You wait an hour - still 24 inches so now you call the doctor: "My son's not growing!" The doctor does nothing and after 4 more measurements at 3pm, 5pm, 8pm and 10pm you're now hysterical. There has to be a reason he's not growing.
After calling many doctors they point out that you can't measure your son every day and expect growth - you can only measure over months and years. You don't buy that - it has to be a conspiracy.
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Here's another little nugget for AgentOrange to consider, since he is from New Jersey.
30,000 years ago NJ was under half a mile of ice, as was all of this continent north of Missouri.
What a catastrophe that global warming took away all of that beautiful ice and left us with --New Jersey.
Why do we never hear from any scientist about the receding ice age that has been going on for many long years before humans started screwing up the environment? Seems like that should be the 800 pound gorilla at every one of these hot air global warming fests. I guess none of them have the cajones to state the obvious question:
"Umm... excuse me but it may be a given that the earth has warmed .5 degree in the last 50 year, but hasn't it been doing basically that for 10,000 years? You know, from back when the Bering Sea froze over and allowed those pesky Native American to immigrate to the U.S."
Greenland used to support a colony of Vikings, until about the 14th century, when it started to cool down. Greenland has still not returned to the temperatures that permitted that colony to raise crops.
Global Cooling?
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