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Old 12-20-2008, 08:55 AM   #1
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There's no mystery that the failure rate is very high. Common sense dictates that if it were as simple as purchasing leads and the naturally interested prospects signed up we'd have a 5% failure rates instead of 95%.

Myth: The law of averages states that if you simply contact enough leads the ones with high interest will buy from you.

Fact: No they won't.

Here's a tutorial on how to successfully work internet leads:

1) Study your plans. You should have read through your brochures and broker guide several times. Can you sign up someone who's 64? Can you sign someone who's been in the country 8 months? That's all in your broker's guide. Study HSAs - they will be more than 50% of your business.

2) Be familiar with the underwriting decisions for the most common conditions; hypertension, high cholesterol, allergies, asthma, depression and anxiety. Create a spreadsheet and list the carriers with their most likely UW decisions for each condition.

3) Run trial quotes and get familiar with online apps - run through all of your carrier's online apps over and over until your feel comfortable.

4) Determine your marketing budget. Anything less than $200 per week is a waste of time. You'll also need at least $200 per week for six weeks before commissions start coming through - so that's $1,200 you need.....minimum. If you do not have $1,200 for leads I'd recommend pursuing other ways of generating business.

On average it costs $100 to gain a client. There's a lot of "I want to make six figures" newbies out there. Fine - $1 returns $600 - net of $500. Want to net $2,000 a week? That's 4 deals or $400 per week.

5) Build your pipeline. Very few deals close on the 1st call - some, but not many. In general, for shared leads, you need a 100 lead pipeline before you start writing consistent business. You have nothing with 8, 10, or 15 leads. You cannot even ascertain a lead vendor's true quality with less than 50 leads.

6) Learn to qualify. Before you go running around throwing out quotes you need to:

A: Ascertain level of interest - why are they looking for health insurance today? Cobra? Don't like current plan? Clicked a banner ad promising $1 a day health insurance? No interest = no client. Move on.

B: Are they insurable? Ask questions regarding insurability; pregnant, taking meds, conditions,
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C: Time-frame; when do they need a plan to start?

D: Money; what's their budget for health insurance? Are they realistic - 56 year old with hypertension looking for $100 a month?

7) Separate yourself from the herd. What does the herd do? They go over some copay plan basics and email quotes. How do you separate yourself? Do what most agents don't do:

A: Quote accurate rates - not preferred. Educate your client on their condition and how that impacts their rates. Give choices; company A might rider, company B might rate up.

B: Run a doc search - make sure everyone's in network. Families have two to three docs; primary, OB/GYN, pediatrician

C: Explain the importance of completing an accurate application - go over claims review

D: Recommend the correct network. Are they moving soon? Do they travel? Do they spend part of the year in another state?

E: Pitch HSAs - trust me, your competitors aren't.

F: Discuss the OOP - other agents would rather walk over broken glass than discuss true liability.

8) Don't be an information kiosk. If this was just about giving correct information most agents wouldn't have a problem gaining clients. The truth is even highly knowledgeable agents can have a tough time closing.

Assume the sale. This is not slamming - this is the natural progression of qualification to presentation to application. If done correctly there's nothing to "think about" for three days.

That said, most prospects will not close on the first call so follow up will be key.

9) Develope great follow-up skills. Email auto-responders are a great idea for leads you can't contact but you should send personalized emails to everyone you've spoken with. You will get deals 2 weeks and 2 months after you've received the lead.

10) Get organized. You'll need a CRM or any kind of database to manage your leads and prospects.

And lastly, you need a career mentality. If you're in this to see if you can make a little money and if not, oh well then save yourself a lot of time and headache.

This is a tough business and starting out is a roller coaster ride. It's a hell of a lot of fun when you make it over the hill but you need to make it up the hill first.
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Old 12-20-2008, 09:08 AM   #2
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Wow!! I'm saving this info right now and printing it out. This is good stuff.

I think all new health agents should be required to read this and use it. Thank you so much for sharing this with us.
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Old 12-21-2008, 08:41 AM   #3
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That really is good advice.

The part that took me a while to figure out is the fact that there are many many sales to be made to the people who requested quotes last month and last year.

The ROI is excellent. When you do a mailing or solicit by phone, the list is the most important element. A list of people who have requested quotes in the past is about as good as it gets.

I regularly send post cards and email to everyone who has ever requested quotes from me so long as the email or address is valid and the person hasn't opted out off the list.
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Old 12-21-2008, 11:41 AM   #4
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Great post and info, thanks!
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Old 12-21-2008, 02:37 PM   #5
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John, I can honestly say that without your pre-qualifying training I would be flopping on the phone and fumbling around. Instead, I am having a great last couple of weeks (I have only been taking leads since 12/3) and I am averaging about 15k AV. Now that I am comfortable, I am going to up my leads and see how good I really am.


So, thanks for this post, all your advice, and the training you do with the IHIAA. For all of you newb's out there like me, take a look at the association. You will learn really quickly if you are cut out for this industry, but John will help you lay a good foundation for your career.


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Old 12-21-2008, 02:40 PM   #6
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Another note; lead vendors obviously cannot ascertain any level of interest. People submit for quotes for a wide variety of reasons.

Far too many new agents go mental when they're on the phone with their fist batch of prospects and some display between low to no interest.

Ever go online and price up anything but not buy? Ever price up airfare and not book the trip? Thousand of people hit sites like Price Line - some bored, some semi-serious and some book tickets.

ROI is the key - how much spent and how much returned. However, true ROI cannot be ascertained daily - monthly is more like it.

I hear this every day "I just got a 22 leads and only 2 deals. These leads suck."

However, then we run the math; turns out they're buying leads at $7 a piece. One deal submitted returned $450 commish, another returned $720.

So $154 spent returned $1,170. Find that kind of profit margin in any other business, but that rep was about to cancel the source. I'll say "you need to buy a few thousand more."

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Old 12-21-2008, 02:53 PM   #7
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ROI is the key - how much spent and how much returned

Hmmm...this sounds vaguely familiar...
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Old 12-21-2008, 03:12 PM   #8
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ROI is common sense. The issue is agents try to figure out ROI far too soon when they start selling. This post is geared towards newbies.

You cannot measure ROI after 5, 8, 14 leads. Yet this is what new agents do and end up leaping from one lead source to the next.
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Old 12-22-2008, 01:09 PM   #9
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Good post about online leads.
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The issue is agents try to figure out ROI far too soon when they start selling.

You cannot measure ROI after 5, 8, 14 leads. Yet this is what new agents do and end up leaping from one lead source to the next.
I looked back over this month's applications submitted, and found three from old internet leads; one in July, and two in August.

I'd give it 5-6 months before you could generate any type of reliable number...
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So what is your ROI on buying leads?
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So what is your ROI on buying leads?
Of course it varies by vendor, but year-to-date overall it is 6.88 to 1. Every dollar spent has returned $6.88 in first year commissions.
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Old 12-22-2008, 05:57 PM   #13
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Mine is less. Damn you Paul.
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Mine is less. Damn you Paul.
Oh believe me, I'm no big deal - I don't even have an association. Come to think of it, I don't even have a club!

I think the ultra-low Ohio premiums may have something to do with it...
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Originally Posted by moonlightandmargaritas View Post
I looked back over this month's applications submitted, and found three from old internet leads; one in July, and two in August.

I'd give it 5-6 months before you could generate any type of reliable number...
Very true. I wrote a $577 premium today, from an internet
Lead I got in January.
One of those "I am just looking because I am retiring at the end of this year - call me at the end of December".
I'll bet he was surprised when I called and reminded him.
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Old 12-22-2008, 09:49 PM   #16
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I'll be he was impressed
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Great post John!

Of course I personally disagree with your "one call close" statement, many will close the first time when you qualify them properly, and you know the numbers "that got away" and never come back, many are still buying but not from the agent who let them go.

Ask Rick (Green Sky) who got his first one call close ever, after sitting in on the training I'm doing for his son. You know what I'm talking about.

Excellent insight and the accountability part rocks, know your products baby!
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Originally Posted by moonlightandmargaritas View Post
Of course it varies by vendor, but year-to-date overall it is 6.88 to 1. Every dollar spent has returned $6.88 in first year commissions.
Nice work 688% return on your money.

On my website marketing I am around $4 to $1 this year. I chased a lot of groups 2nd & 3rd quarter that I did not get.

Now back 2007 I was $8-$1.
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Old 12-30-2008, 11:55 PM   #19
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John,

Great info for new people like me. What do you mean when you mention "go over claims review"?

Thanks
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Carriers have 2 years to review a claim (except in the case of fraud) which simply means if the carrier smells a rat they can request medical records and match it against the app.

If they found that information was omitted from the app they can:

A: Adjust the rate and demand back-premium
B: Issue a rider
C: Rescind the policy

I go over this with my clients - helps them job their memory before we do the app.

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