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Old 10-20-2008, 11:47 AM   #1
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This morning I got a call at the office asking:

"are you satisfied with your medicare plan" "If no press "1" blah blah and we will have someone contact you!

I pressed "1" and left my name and phone number.

This is in direct conflict of medicares rules to even call regardless that I gave my name and phone number.

At first my reaction was to hammer whoever calls me.

Opinions please!!!!


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Old 10-20-2008, 11:56 AM   #2
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This morning I got a call at the office asking:

"are you satisfied with your medicare plan" "If no press "1" blah blah and we will have someone contact you!

I pressed "1" and left my name and phone number.

This is in direct conflict of medicares rules to even call regardless that I gave my name and phone number.

At first my reaction was to hammer whoever calls me.

Opinions please!!!!
Give the number too one of the carriers and CMS.

When they call you back find out who is generating the calls.

It is people like this that are making it harder for the honest agents who follow the rules.


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Old 10-20-2008, 11:59 AM   #3
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This morning I got a call at the office asking:

"are you satisfied with your medicare plan" "If no press "1" blah blah and we will have someone contact you!

I pressed "1" and left my name and phone number.

This is in direct conflict of medicares rules to even call regardless that I gave my name and phone number.

At first my reaction was to hammer whoever calls me.

Opinions please!!!!
Regardless of Medicare of not, a transfer like that to a residential phone is illegal. When pressing "1", the call must be answered by a live person in 2 seconds.

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Old 10-20-2008, 12:14 PM   #4
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It wasnt me I swear.

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Originally Posted by floridabroker View Post
This morning I got a call at the office asking:

"are you satisfied with your medicare plan" "If no press "1" blah blah and we will have someone contact you!

I pressed "1" and left my name and phone number.

This is in direct conflict of medicares rules to even call regardless that I gave my name and phone number.

At first my reaction was to hammer whoever calls me.

Opinions please!!!!
Turn them into CMS immediately, clearly a $25,000 violation.


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Old 10-20-2008, 06:26 PM   #6
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Originally Posted by floridabroker View Post
This morning I got a call at the office asking:

"are you satisfied with your medicare plan" "If no press "1" blah blah and we will have someone contact you!

I pressed "1" and left my name and phone number.

This is in direct conflict of medicares rules to even call regardless that I gave my name and phone number.

At first my reaction was to hammer whoever calls me.

Opinions please!!!!
This is typical... whoever this agent hired did not give a _____ (fill in the blank) that he/she were not being compliant. They are a "phone company" and all they do is sell phone time. You better do your due dilegence if you are calling residential with this Dial 1 voice broadcast format.

By the way... wonder if they sold enough policies to pay the fine... ouch!


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Old 10-20-2008, 06:35 PM   #7
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Sure it wasn't InsuranceFLY


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Old 10-20-2008, 07:14 PM   #8
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Let's back up for a minute. Maybe I missed something that all of the rest of you saw.

As I read the initial post it said "are you satisfied with your medicare plan"?

I don't see where CMS enters into that statement. Are not Med Supp policies referred to as "Plans" as in Plan D, Plan G etc.?

If it has said "are you satisfied with your Medicare Advantage plan" I would definitely agree with all of you.

Please enlighten me if I have not read that correctly and tell me that I am a dumb ass. (I already know that Rick and Ramiz are going to say that anyway. )


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Old 10-20-2008, 07:41 PM   #9
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Let's back up for a minute. Maybe I missed something that all of the rest of you saw.

As I read the initial post it said "are you satisfied with your medicare plan"?

I don't see where CMS enters into that statement. Are not Med Supp policies referred to as "Plans" as in Plan D, Plan G etc.?

If it has said "are you satisfied with your Medicare Advantage plan" I would definitely agree with all of you.

Please enlighten me if I have not read that correctly and tell me that I am a dumb ass. (I already know that Rick and Ramiz are going to say that anyway. )
I believe the prohibition is the mention of Medicare as it relates to any health plan. Any yes, you are a dumb ass. (But you knew I would say that. Ramiz should be here shortly to confirm).

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Old 10-20-2008, 09:06 PM   #10
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I believe the prohibition is the mention of Medicare as it relates to any health plan. Any yes, you are a dumb ass. (But you knew I would say that. Ramiz should be here shortly to confirm).

Rick
All I can say is "that ain't right".

I will continue talking about Medicare over the phone, in public bathrooms, on street corners and when hanging out in the coronary care unit of second rate hospitals.

That's just the kind of "dumb ass" I am.


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Old 10-20-2008, 09:26 PM   #11
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I didn't think any of these rules applied to Med Sups or the marketing of them? IF They do, where do they say so and why haven't any of us heard boo from the med sup companies, who are probably the driving force behind all of the rules and scrutiny to begin with...


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I didn't think any of these rules applied to Med Sups or the marketing of them? They do, and where do they say so an d why haven't any of us heard boo from the med sup companies, who are probably thre driving force behind all of the rules and scrutiny to begin with...
Lost me here. Are you saying that CMS marketing rules are being imposed on traditional supplements? I have not heard this at all. Can you provide source for this?
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I googled it and don't see anything saying CMS rules apply to anything except Part D and Part C. Also read the MIPAA guideline and there is no reference to any supplements, only parts c and d.
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MEDICARE ISSUES NEW RULES TO ENFORCE MARKETING REQUIREMENTS DURING UPCOMING HEALTH AND DRUG PLAN ENROLLMENT PERIOD
The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS) today released final regulations that will protect Medicare beneficiaries from deceptive or high-pressure marketing tactics by private insurance companies and their agents during the upcoming 2009 Medicare Advantage and prescription drug open enrollment period. The regulations also include other non-marketing related Medicare Advantage and prescription drug plan (PDP) provisions.

The two regulations issued today include prohibitions on telemarketing and other unsolicited sales contacts. The new rules also prohibit financial incentives that could encourage agents and brokers to maximize commissions by inappropriately moving, or churning, beneficiaries from one plan to another each year. Plans must be in compliance with these provisions when they begin their marketing activities on October 1.

The regulations give insurers bright-line guidance on what types of marketing activities are acceptable and what types are not acceptable,” said CMS Acting Administrator Kerry Weems. “Medicare beneficiaries can be assured that we will monitor marketing activities and move aggressively with enforcement measures or other actions if these rules are violated.”

Acting Administrator Weems emphasized CMS efforts that will build upon the success of past marketplace surveillance program activities to ensure that drug plans’ and health plans’ marketing practices reflect the new requirements. Surveillance will include:
  • Tripling the number of “secret shopper” activities in which a Medicare official poses as a prospective enrollee and monitors sales agents’ presentations for inaccurate information and prohibited sales tactics;
  • Reviewing plans’ local print and broadcast advertisements;
  • Reviewing recordings of enrollment calls to ensure compliance with the new regulations; and
  • Ensuring that health and drug plans detect, report, and respond to agent/broker marketing misrepresentation and other issues.
During last year’s open enrollment period, CMS’ marketplace surveillance activities included secret-shopping 300 sales and marketing events. As a result, three organizations were required to develop corrective action plans and one organization’s marketing activities were suspended. Other plans with lesser deficiencies received warning letters from CMS.

The vast majority of beneficiaries are extremely pleased with their prescription drug and Medicare Advantage plans and have not encountered heavy-handed sales tactics,” said Weems. “CMS takes its enforcement role very seriously, however, and we will monitor activities throughout this year’s enrollment period to ensure that beneficiaries are protected from aggressive marketing behavior from agents and brokers.”

One regulation makes final several marketing revisions to the Medicare Advantage and Part D Prescription Drug Programs Proposed Rule that CMS issued on May 16. In July, Congress codified similar marketing restrictions in the Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act of 2008 (MIPPA). The provisions prohibit:
  • Providing meals to beneficiaries as part of marketing activities;
  • Telemarketing, door-to-door solicitation, and other sales contacts made without a beneficiary’s express invitation;
  • Cross-selling of non-health care related products during any sales, marketing, or presentation for an MA plan or PDP;
  • Conducting sales presentations or distributing and accepting plan applications in provider offices or other places where health care is delivered; and
  • Conducting sales activities, distributing, or collecting applications at education events.
In addition, the regulation requires that agents and brokers be state licensed and appointed in accordance with state laws. The marketing provisions must be in place when plans’ marketing activities begin October 1.

CMS also issued an interim final rule that would implement other provisions included in the new Medicare law. A key provision specifies restrictions on how agents and brokers are paid for signing up a beneficiary in a plan to eliminate incentives for agents or brokers to move beneficiaries from plan to plan, a practice known in the industry as churning. These guidelines, designed to protect beneficiaries from agents and brokers who may have been acting in their own financial interest rather than meeting the needs of the beneficiary, are based on existing industry standards for agent and broker compensation structure.

This fall, Medicare beneficiaries will need to compare their current plan’s offerings for 2009 against those of other plans. As seniors compare the value and price of the plans offered, we want them to have complete confidence in the information insurers provide on benefits and costs of available plans,” said Weems. “These rules, in conjunction with other regulations CMS will issue before the annual enrollment period begins November 15, establish tighter performance standards and tougher penalties for non-compliance, ensuring a positive experience for beneficiaries as we move toward the start of annual enrollment.”

The final rule implementing MIPPA marketing requirements may be viewed at http://www.cms.hhs.gov/HealthPlansGenInfo/.



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Old 10-20-2008, 10:26 PM   #13
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I'm nervous marketing for supplements. If the prospect tells me he has an MA plan, can I then turn the conversation around? Is that still a cold-call? What if he <shudder> asks about Part D at the same time?

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I'm nervous marketing for supplements. If the prospect tells me he has an MA plan, can I then turn the conversation around? Is that still a cold-call? What if he <shudder> asks about Part D at the same time?

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Here is what I got from UnitedHealthcare about that;

"Situation; A beneficiary calls the agent in response to advertising, word of mouth or other information:

Acceptable Actions:
-Needs assesment
-Present any product

Acceptable Outcomes
-Immedicate sale
-Schedule an in-home appointment{Requires scope of appointment documentation}
-Schedule attendance at a sales event
-Follow-up {send sales kit, schedule future activity or call}

Future permission to call
-For inbound calls, permission is automatically granted with no product restrictions as long as the inbound call is related to MA/PDP.
-Permission to call "duration" rules apply
-Caller may revoke permission to call"


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Old 10-20-2008, 11:35 PM   #15
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Sorry Dave, I did not proofread. I left out the word 'If'.

Originally Posted by patch36
I didn't think any of these rules applied to Med Sups or the marketing of them? IF They do, where do they say so and why haven't any of us heard boo from the med sup companies, who are probably the driving force behind all of the rules and scrutiny to begin with...

I don't consider any of the new rules to do with Med Supps. If they do, please highlight the rule or reg.


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