I love posts/forums on this topic. I stand in awe of the myriad of "doctrine" that ANY religion professes where the NATURAL man (us) is somehow the one that get's to DECIDE to interact with the SUPERNATURAL (God).
If common sense prevails at all anymore (and I suspect after being in the insurance business for 30 years that it rarely prevails)... then you'd have to at least give a tacit nod of approval that only the SUPERNATURAL can "decide" to interact with the Natural.
Said another way.... YOU don't get to "decide" whether you want to interact with GOD. God provided a "means" in which you MAY interact with him... the 10 Commandants were not sent down as a rule-book for those that were "considering" a relationship with God. They were sent as confirming proof that there wasn't a person around (the natural man) who could ever measure up to the standards that God presented and therefore, "gave-up" on ever meeting those demands.... which is where we dive off into the discussion about "grace".... but we'll save that for another round.
Think about this..... do you really believe that somehow YOU get to decide, based on something you do, say, wear, eat, the way you live, the car you drive, how much you luuuuuv somebody, how nice you are..... that this somehow "earns' you a right to have a relationship with a Holy God?
Is it worse to make light of someone's beliefs (and meaning no personal harm) or for a person to tell an Atheist that they are doomed to an eternity in hell for being a non-believer? (Of course, since I don't believe in heaven or hell...)
Why is it that it is okay to joke about almost everything else, but apparenty god (and that usually means the Christian god) is not allowed?
I have no use for the belief, but respect the believers as people.
Rick
Well something I bet you didn't know, is that your websites were built by a an individual that believes in some really strange things about religion. Plus his websites are way outdated and his site promotes blank promises on building a website and how to market it.
Well something I bet you didn't know, is that your websites were built by a an individual that believes in some really strange things about religion. Plus his websites are way outdated and his site promotes blank promises on building a website and how to market it.
Wow! That's really great information. Savelli did not design the sites I have but his name continued to be shown because the person who changed them did not remove it. Also the sites are being re-worked as I type this.
But, why would I care what religion someone I hire believes in? Why should it matter who else someone works with? Wouldn't that simply make me a bigot?
I've sold insurance to people of every religion, race, etc and probably bought things from the same "type" of people. I really don't see the point of your post. Are you suggesting that because I'm an atheist I should stick with my own "kind?"
Heck, I've even helped insure Christians! Yes, I am a giver.
Rick
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I love posts/forums on this topic. I stand in awe of the myriad of "doctrine" that ANY religion professes where the NATURAL man (us) is somehow the one that get's to DECIDE to interact with the SUPERNATURAL (God).
If common sense prevails at all anymore (and I suspect after being in the insurance business for 30 years that it rarely prevails)... then you'd have to at least give a tacit nod of approval that only the SUPERNATURAL can "decide" to interact with the Natural.
Said another way.... YOU don't get to "decide" whether you want to interact with GOD. God provided a "means" in which you MAY interact with him... the 10 Commandants were not sent down as a rule-book for those that were "considering" a relationship with God. They were sent as confirming proof that there wasn't a person around (the natural man) who could ever measure up to the standards that God presented and therefore, "gave-up" on ever meeting those demands.... which is where we dive off into the discussion about "grace".... but we'll save that for another round.
Think about this..... do you really believe that somehow YOU get to decide, based on something you do, say, wear, eat, the way you live, the car you drive, how much you luuuuuv somebody, how nice you are..... that this somehow "earns' you a right to have a relationship with a Holy God?
Not sure if this is directed towards me or not, but I'll bite. And only on the last part of your post. The answer is no. There is nothing I can ever do to "earn" anything God has done or will do for me. What gives me the "right" to have a relationship with a Holy God is the sacrifice Christ made on behalf of all of us. You don't have to believe that. Common sense isn't part of the equation. Faith is. There's no other way to describe it. There isn't anything anyone can say or do that could convince me otherwise. Just as there isn't anything I can say or do to convince the atheist otherwise.
For the atheist, it is foolishness to them that someone would believe in a God they don't believe exists. As it should be. Just as I think it's foolishness that certain radical muslims believe if they kill non-muslims they will enter heaven being rewarded with 72 virgins.
One day we'll all find out if our beliefs were right or wrong.
Wow! That's really great information. Savelli did not design the sites I have but his name continued to be shown because the person who changed them did not remove it. Also the sites are being re-worked as I type this.
But, why would I care what religion someone I hire believes in? Why should it matter who else someone works with? Wouldn't that simply make me a bigot?
I've sold insurance to people of every religion, race, etc and probably bought things from the same "type" of people. I really don't see the point of your post. Are you suggesting that because I'm an atheist I should stick with my own "kind?"
Heck, I've even helped insure Christians! Yes, I am a giver.
Rick
No not all all, I just had several dealings with this individual, in a strange way after I purchased his site, You are correct it doesnt matter who you do buisness with, I just saw the websites, sorry for the wrong impression.
No not all all, I just had several dealings with this individual, in a strange way after I purchased his site, You are correct it doesnt matter who you do buisness with, I just saw the websites, sorry for the wrong impression.
Okay, no harm, no foul. I guess I took what you wrote wrong.
Glad your Mom is doing better but you are still a jackass.
Rick
Your opinion of me reminds me of what the writer Dorothy Parker said after she read the review of one her her books by a New York Times book critic. She wrote back to the reviewer:
"Dear Edward:
I am sitting in the smallest, most cozy room of my house.
When I made an in-person visit to a prospect last week, he told me he had already been contacted by a health insurance agent. He showed me the guy's business card. The agent's name was Jesus Gonzalez. Is that the guy we are discussing in this thread?
When I made an in-person visit to a prospect last week, he told me he had already been contacted by a health insurance agent. He showed me the guy's business card. The agent's name was Jesus Gonzalez. Is that the guy we are discussing in this thread?
Didn't we already have the discussion about the "real" Jesus? You know, Felipe, Matty, and Jesus. The 3 wise men?
Not sure if this is directed towards me or not, but I'll bite. And only on the last part of your post. The answer is no. There is nothing I can ever do to "earn" anything God has done or will do for me. What gives me the "right" to have a relationship with a Holy God is the sacrifice Christ made on behalf of all of us. You don't have to believe that. Common sense isn't part of the equation. Faith is. There's no other way to describe it. There isn't anything anyone can say or do that could convince me otherwise. Just as there isn't anything I can say or do to convince the atheist otherwise.
For the atheist, it is foolishness to them that someone would believe in a God they don't believe exists. As it should be. Just as I think it's foolishness that certain radical muslims believe if they kill non-muslims they will enter heaven being rewarded with 72 virgins.
One day we'll all find out if our beliefs were right or wrong.
First God did not send down the 10 commandments, these were taken from a Egyptian "Book of The Dead". Judaism is 180 degrees from the base belief system of the Egyptians, wherein one must face these trails after death in order to reach the after life. Judaism, wherein one must face the trails during life to be accepted into the house of God at the time of death.
The real comical deal here is the fact that these (Judaism/Christianity Islamic) are only the "Western" man experience. Just look to the "East" and we find Hinduism, and can be traced back to 5000-6000 bce. Much older than any of the three "Western" beliefs.
Richard I applaud you for stating that you live a Christian Life as one of the definitions of being a Christian is "showing a loving concern for others" - however the definition also includes professing belief in Jesus as Christ. I do profess my belief in Jesus as Christ and that being a Christian is being "Christ-Like"
David
Originally Posted by GreenSky
I believe that either Jesus existed as one person, or is a compilation of many people. Frankly, the former is more likely.
2,000 years ago I'm sure there were many good people promoting the "word" of god. Jesus is likely one of them.
What he was reputed to have said is wonderful. If we all lived by his philosophy, this would be a much better world.
Was he the son of god? No. Since I don't believe in god, how can I believe he/she had a son?
That being said, the real proof of a "Christian" are deeds, not words. I live a "Christian" life with the exception (yes, it's a big one) that I do not believe in god.
Richard I applaud you for stating that you live a Christian Life as one of the definitions of being a Christian is "showing a loving concern for others" - however the definition also includes professing belief in Jesus as Christ. I do profess my belief in Jesus as Christ and that being a Christian is being "Christ-Like"
David
Never said I was a Christian. However I will put my actions up against anyone including all those Christians in prision. Did you know that Atheists make up the smallest group of those in prision - Catholics are the largest group with other Christian sects following?
Deeds speak a lot (or alot as SAI would write) louder than words.
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