Silly me. I assumed that when someone posts they have a lead, they are simply trying to help the prospect. But this guy apparently needs a few bucks to pay the rental on his furnished trailer. Here are the messages that went back and forth.
Looks to me that the Elf is not a teacher but a taker.
I believe an exclusive "hot" lead is worth it. I pay $6 for shared med sup leads, so why should this not be worth at least $10.
The lady needs to move now. She somehow got a bug up her arse about AARP and wants to get out from them. She is 65 and I did talk to her because she did not indicate her zip code and I thought she was in Iowa. She really likes me and would consider you "my friend."
I told her I would find and agent in CA to call her.
GreenSky
Thanks but I'll pass on the $10.
I just don't pay other agents for their leads. If I sell it, happy to reimburse your costs.
Otherwise, good luck.
Rick
ELFTEACHER
Rick:
I don't know how to tell this but it is not up to you to dicate the terms of my deal. I think I am helping my fellow agents here on this forum by selling these leads. I am as firm on never giving them away ( which seems ridiculous) as you are never buying them. As another poster said, move on then. But don't PM looking for a handout, or dicate to me how the deal would play out.
But just for the fun of it my "costs" would be around $300 as that is how much I have in my new website. Are you prepared to pay that?
Just so you know that I am not getting you or your buddies "advice" for free, as you are all on ignore.
GreenSky
You can do what you want. Never dictated a damn thing to you. If I wanted to pay $10 I would.
But when you post you have a lead, at least have the courtesy to post the cost. Had I known up front it was not an offer of a lead but an offer to sell, I would never have responded.
You can think me a jerk if you want as I couldn’t give a rat’s ass. But you, my friend, are an idiot.
Love and kisses,
Rick
All this idiot had to do was post that he had a lead and wanted $10 for it. But in a typical dishonest, bait and switch fashion, he only mentioned the price after I was interested.
Wonder how he screws his insurance clients (if he has any).
Rick
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About once a month I get a lead for an "inexepensive" FE or a MAPD from client who has a mom or dad living in some horrible state like Maine or Texas and so I contact someone from this list that I know who lives there (the little state flags on this site work well for that) or I ask around... and call or email and see if they want to work it. (No one refuses!)
In return I always ask (not demand) that if the agent sells the case, that they send me a Starbuck's card for whatever amount they feel is right AND to return the referral if they hear of something in CA.
I've never NOT gotten a gift card back on a sale... usually for either $10 or $20. Maybe twice someone has sent me a lead in return. (Last year, one guy ended up selling a big life policy to the family and he sent me a gift card for dinner for two at Ruth's Chriss... that ain't cheap. (You can find out where these large chains have restaurants from the web.))
Today my local insurance agent friend sold $800 premium on a case that I referred to him. I don't care if he even thanks me.
Some of you guys may think your way has got to be the right way, and I have seen the likes of you before in other venues, but I don't agree, nor did the guy who bought the Georgia lead.
Apparently you think it is beneath you to pay for a lead from another agent, yet you talk here about buying old leads for 25 cents a piece!
I believe I am doing a complete stranger a FAVOR by alerting you to a quite hot lead. If you don't see it that way you are the loser.
I can live without your $10.
You may have lost hundreds.
I have 12 NR licenses and California is going to be my next one as that lady wanted to buy NOW.
I missed her but I won't miss the next one in CA. I can sell many of my plans over the phone and have absolute quoting availabilty.
You got a gift card, so what. You got a big steak dinner when the guy may have made thousands. Woopi.
I would have got an NR license on that case and asked to split the case.
If you don't need the $10, why ask for it? Hint: Give out the info to a good agent for free, and maybe they'll send you one back that you could earn far more than $10 on down the line.
You got a gift card, so what. You got a big steak dinner when the guy may have made thousands. Woopi.
I would have got an NR license on that case and asked to split the case.
You are going to do real well here. There are a lot of neo-cons, such as moonlight and winter who share your "greed is good" philosophy. It's everyone for themselves, and if you are sick and can't afford insurance, then the hell with you.. you just die.
What makes you even a greater success story is that you are a LEAD VENDOR... and there is no other sector of this industry where greed is so richly rewarded.
Yup (or more precisely as winter would say "heh yep") you are going to fit right in here, you are going to find lots of customers here, and I have no doubt that in no time at all you will be one of the wealthiest subscribers in this venue. Are you in the right place... or what?
Of course sooner or later you will piss off someone enough and they will do what they can to "out" you... and that won't be good for business. My crystal ball says that you are somewhere in the Madison, WI area... maybe an ex-Bankers Life employee? And I'm going to guess you are this guy.
I'll bet someone can find Bob Stelflue and Jeff Murphy. Of course you said that:
Murphy was a hard drinking , cocaine sniffing ( not uncommon for managers at all companies in the eighties) lowlife who beat his wife, screwed everyone out of what he could, and had no vision for his branch or his company.
... so maybe he might be interested in helping determine just whom you might be? I'm sure someone can track him down... give him a call... show him what you wrote.
Jeez, if you are going to post from the shadows you need to learn how to do it better... and both the idiot winter and the human-garbage moonlight are the best. I've done my utmost to find out who they are... I'm going to have to hire an internet "super-sleuth" who knows more tricks than I do.
One more thing. You came on here and pissed off Rick. That was NOT the smartest thing to do. I know from my own experience.
Anyway, keep on keepin' on. You're doin' great. No doubt those ten-spots are in the mail to you as I write this.
Our honest abe, who claims to have $300 in his website, requires payment of $10 for a lead. So technically, all he wants is to be reimbursed for his cost to generate leads. Fair enough.
He is advertising here for free. So I guess he'll also be paying Sam for part of what he earns from "offering" leads on Sam's site.
I just don't know where you guys get this attitude. I bought a lead on here and that is where I got the idea. It is an occasional thing. I am not in the lead business.
But I am in business.
I spent hundreds of dollars on my website and get very few leads, none of which have been in my states.
Why should I give someone hundreds of dollars in the form of the precious lead, especially after the comments ( and personal emails) I have received here.
Agents on this forum work all day long to increase their business which includes buying leads; just as I do.
For the life of me, I can not understand why some of you are looking for a handout.
I have explained before that quid pro quo does not work, despite another posters belief that it does.
An exclusive lead is gold and nearly a sure sale, unlike the ones we buy that the prospect gets bombarded by 15 callers.
This occasional hot lead could put an agent back on track.
PLEASE offer ME one in one of my states for TEN MEASLY BUCKS.
I will not complain and go on some campaign promoting that buying a lead from another agent ( who you do not know from Adam) is beneath me.
Georgia was purchased. California went stale. You agents missed out on a sure sale to make your point.
Clearly I will survive without the $10. It's the principle of the thing for you, and it's the principle of the thing for me as well.
Last edited by EFLTEACHER : 07-30-2009 at 07:49 PM.
You ask "why" and perhaps you should consider "why not"?
Someone mentioned you could have been up front and stated that the lead was for sale. Being direct about it would have let to a completely different outcome than what is occurring now.
Al posted some valuable thoughts to consider.
Other than that, just let it go.....best wishes to you.
I can't hold it inside any longer. I am here simply to try to get free leads. In fact, my entire book of business is based on waiting for mega asshats to post they have a lead, grab it, write the business, and then wait for another handout.
I would gladly pay $10 for the lead if half of it went to Sam. After all, wouldn't want anyone to think Elf is a mooch.
What's the over/under on this crap winding up in the Fight Club?
You should never ask for anything back when offering a lead or you can try and work out a verbal agreement of some sort but other than that you just have to offer the lead
you should never ask for anything back when offering a lead or you can try and work out a verbal agreement of some sort but other than that you just have to offer the lead
That seems to be the concensus here, however it is not the way I see it.
I paid for a lead here and that is how I got the idea. I give leads to my friends in town, but not to strangers.
I am not in the habit of giving hundreds of dollar away to strangers.
I just paid my lead bill and can not get over this thread, and how you "all see the way it should be."
Fine. But don't tell me what to do.
The way I figure it I was helping someone out, and I head to listen to this.
Last edited by EFLTEACHER : 08-08-2009 at 02:38 AM.
Lead in California - Orange County
and so I contact someone from this list that I know who lives there (the little state flags on this site work well for that) or I ask around... and call or email and see if they want to work it. (No one refuses!)
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