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Old 03-13-2009, 02:12 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by insuranceexec View Post
To make a long story short. Here was a guy who had been in the business 27 years with a nice renewal block of business, who is now spending time in prison as a direct result of his involvement with this company. Remember ignorance or stupidity is not an excuse.
A lot of people wouldn't be in this situation if they would just give the money back when asked. I don't know your friend's situation, but I've seen people that could have stopped what they were doing and been okay, but avarice and arrogance took over.

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Old 03-13-2009, 03:57 PM   #12
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To make a long story short. Here was a guy who had been in the business 27 years with a nice renewal block of business, who is now spending time in prison as a direct result of his involvement with this company. Remember ignorance or stupidity is not an excuse.
Exec - since I "heard" this from you, it piqued my interest. What law did the guy violate? Who prosecuted? Who filed the complaint?

IIRC, you do not have to be licensed to sell securities in AR in order to sell Life Settlements.
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Old 03-13-2009, 04:22 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by joeblow View Post
Exec - since I "heard" this from you, it piqued my interest. What law did the guy violate? Who prosecuted? Who filed the complaint?

IIRC, you do not have to be licensed to sell securities in AR in order to sell Life Settlements.
Every state has different variances of this law; and enforce it to a certain degree. This is my disclaimer...........

The guy was charged with selling an unlicensed security; and not doing his due diligence to verify that what he was doing was legal. Remember ignorance is not an excuse.

By the time they, the company, got around to registering with the SEC and the Arkansas Securities Department they did not qualify for registration; and were denied exemption.

The AG of the state filed charges and prosecuted.

A client filed a complaint after they did not receive their money back.

Every situation is different with every state. I am in NO way an authority on the subject; so please check with your local Insurance department or securities department.
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Old 03-13-2009, 05:44 PM   #14
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Every situation is different with every state. I am in NO way an authority on the subject; so please check with your local Insurance department or securities department.
You are undoubtedly correct. It appears that the individual states can certainly bring actions, even though the SEC has apparently lost that argument already.

(Cite as: 87 F.3d 536, 318 U.S.App.D.C. 302)
United States Court of Appeals,
District of Columbia Circuit.
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION, Appellee,
v.
LIFE PARTNERS, INCORPORATED and Brian D. Pardo, Appellants.
Nos. 95-5364, 96-5018 and 96-5090.
Argued April 4, 1996.
Decided July 5, 1996.
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Old 03-13-2009, 09:15 PM   #15
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You are undoubtedly correct. It appears that the individual states can certainly bring actions, even though the SEC has apparently lost that argument already.

(Cite as: 87 F.3d 536, 318 U.S.App.D.C. 302)
United States Court of Appeals,
District of Columbia Circuit.
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION, Appellee,
v.
LIFE PARTNERS, INCORPORATED and Brian D. Pardo, Appellants.
Nos. 95-5364, 96-5018 and 96-5090.
Argued April 4, 1996.
Decided July 5, 1996.

Very interesting case.
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Old 03-13-2009, 10:22 PM   #16
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bill View Post
And yet, do you think that the person receiving the override is in jail, too?

Nope.

As I've asked twice before - how long does this guy plan to be in business?
If Ozmo checked his state laws and rules and found out he needed either insur and/or securities license to sell these products and he had it.

He would check to see if the products can be sold in the state.

These products I think also require qualfied or accredited investors of a minimum net worth.

I assume they also have disclosures the client would sign that the money is not liquid etc. Checked out the vendor and track record to insure they have delivered in the past.

What additional risks would there be? I am not trying to be flippant just curious.

I met a producer ayear ago who encouraged a well known IMO/FMO to sell these products and they are doing it. I am not with the FMO/IMO but I am curious.

I am not selling these products but I am suprised that this IMO/FMO is when you guys are so down on these investor side of life settlements.

It sounds like this FMO/IMO has not done their due diligence.
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Old 03-14-2009, 05:40 AM   #17
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Coming from all sides, obviously more due diligence is in order. And the consensus seems to be to stay away or be very careful. "Exec" was friend associated with Life Partners? or someone else. Still curious if anybody is making any money with these products or this company, but no one coming out of this wood pile? That may say a lot.
FYI Mr. Bill, my intention is not to be in this for the short term, but as I have only been licensed a short time I will still need to build successful income streams to remain. So I hope to be in business for long term, but as yet I can't say for sure. Your comments appear a bit cryptic and a tad condescending, for whatever reason that may just be your style. Thanks anyway for keeping this thread rolling.
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Old 03-14-2009, 10:24 AM   #18
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Originally Posted by ozmo View Post
Coming from all sides, obviously more due diligence is in order. And the consensus seems to be to stay away or be very careful. "Exec" was friend associated with Life Partners? or someone else. Still curious if anybody is making any money with these products or this company, but no one coming out of this wood pile? That may say a lot.
FYI Mr. Bill, my intention is not to be in this for the short term, but as I have only been licensed a short time I will still need to build successful income streams to remain. So I hope to be in business for long term, but as yet I can't say for sure. Your comments appear a bit cryptic and a tad condescending, for whatever reason that may just be your style. Thanks anyway for keeping this thread rolling.

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I agree with ur points....
I am glad you concur!
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Old 09-12-2010, 01:13 PM   #20
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Very interesting case.
Hmm, I must agree, great research to find this...if I were you, I would consult with an attorney before you do everything, not people who have a financial interest in telling you otherwise.

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