Question on Long Term Care

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Hello,

I am new to this forum. I have been reading a lot about long term care. I have come to the conciulusion from reading this forum and after talking with a host of agents, that there does not seem to be a perfect answer as it pertains to which company to go use. It is hard to get quotes unless you have someone come to your house and then sit with you and try to sell you a policy. I believe I know what I want but only have a minor question or two. Perhaps those of you on this forum can help.

I am 52 and my wife is 38. (Yes, she is a young one. That creates all other kinds of issues, believe me.)

I am looking at a comprehensive policy that gives me 4 years, at $200/day, with a 5% inflation rate, with a 90 elimination period. Genworth has a quote of $1866 for me and $1501 for my wife. I live in California and this is a partnership policy. This policy has a high limit residential care rider and it has a survivorship benefit. This is at the preferred rating from Genworth.

I have a few questions:

1. Is this a reasonable amount of money for this policy or can I do much better. They are two separate policies for the same thing.

2. Is it worth my wife waiting to get hers until later instead of buying a policy now? It seems as if there is not as big as difference in price as I thought it would be considering her age. I do know that there is a discount because of the two of us buying it, but is it that much of a discout?

3. Am I making a mistake with a 90 elimination period instead of 30 day? I am not rich, but not poor so that puts me in middle America with our income over $200,000 a year. The agent felt that if we had to use it, Medicare would cover the first 90 days before we would have to pay.

4. Since California is so expensive with healthcare, do you think I should do less years with a higher daily benefit like $400 and reduce or eliminate the compounding? I read conflicting views on this on a thread in this forum.

5. Should I do 10 pay or pay to 65? Do you avoid increases if you do that? If I did which would it make sense to not have the survivorship option if it will be paid for anyway?

6. Should I consider other options that could save us more money, but still provide good value. Would a shared pool do that? Or what about a life insurance policy with a LTC rider? Is that wise?

I would be very grateful to hear your thoughts on this? I figure I could get a more objective view since none of you are actually selling a policy to me. :biggrin:
 
You need to find a long term care specialist that writes for ALL the major long term care insurers, and has at least 10 years in this business. They do not have to come to your home and bug you to "buy today". A specialist like this can give you an unbiased policy comparison with all the companies. They will also have enough experience to have had clients go on claim, and can share you the different options and how they have worked in the real world. They will not rush you. They will lead you through this process at the speed you want to be lead.

It will be very hard, if not impossible, to get this done any other way. But...if you do this, please be professional enough to get the policy from whichever agent helps you the most. Don't ask one agent to do all the research and recommend a plan, then get it from someone else that didn't help you reach the proper conclusion.

A captive agent with any company can not do what you need done.

Of course, this is just my opinion.
Good luck.
Bill
 
Hello,

I am new to this forum. I have been reading a lot about long term care. I have come to the conciulusion from reading this forum and after talking with a host of agents, that there does not seem to be a perfect answer as it pertains to which company to go use. It is hard to get quotes unless you have someone come to your house and then sit with you and try to sell you a policy. I believe I know what I want but only have a minor question or two. Perhaps those of you on this forum can help.

I am 52 and my wife is 38. (Yes, she is a young one. That creates all other kinds of issues, believe me.)

I am looking at a comprehensive policy that gives me 4 years, at $200/day, with a 5% inflation rate, with a 90 elimination period. Genworth has a quote of $1866 for me and $1501 for my wife. I live in California and this is a partnership policy. This policy has a high limit residential care rider and it has a survivorship benefit. This is at the preferred rating from Genworth.

I have a few questions:

1. Is this a reasonable amount of money for this policy or can I do much better. They are two separate policies for the same thing.

2. Is it worth my wife waiting to get hers until later instead of buying a policy now? It seems as if there is not as big as difference in price as I thought it would be considering her age. I do know that there is a discount because of the two of us buying it, but is it that much of a discout?

3. Am I making a mistake with a 90 elimination period instead of 30 day? I am not rich, but not poor so that puts me in middle America with our income over $200,000 a year. The agent felt that if we had to use it, Medicare would cover the first 90 days before we would have to pay.

4. Since California is so expensive with healthcare, do you think I should do less years with a higher daily benefit like $400 and reduce or eliminate the compounding? I read conflicting views on this on a thread in this forum.

5. Should I do 10 pay or pay to 65? Do you avoid increases if you do that? If I did which would it make sense to not have the survivorship option if it will be paid for anyway?

6. Should I consider other options that could save us more money, but still provide good value. Would a shared pool do that? Or what about a life insurance policy with a LTC rider? Is that wise?

I would be very grateful to hear your thoughts on this? I figure I could get a more objective view since none of you are actually selling a policy to me. :biggrin:




Hello,

I am new to this forum. I have been reading a lot about long term care. I have come to the conciulusion from reading this forum and after talking with a host of agents, that there does not seem to be a perfect answer as it pertains to which company to go use. It is hard to get quotes unless you have someone come to your house and then sit with you and try to sell you a policy.


There are hundreds of agents who will work with you right over the phone, internet and via email. There is no need to work with an LTCI specialist who requires to come to your house.



I believe I know what I want but only have a minor question or two. Perhaps those of you on this forum can help.

I am 52 and my wife is 38. (Yes, she is a young one. That creates all other kinds of issues, believe me.)

I am looking at a comprehensive policy that gives me 4 years, at $200/day, with a 5% inflation rate, with a 90 elimination period. Genworth has a quote of $1866 for me and $1501 for my wife. I live in California and this is a partnership policy. This policy has a high limit residential care rider and it has a survivorship benefit. This is at the preferred rating from Genworth.

I have a few questions:

1. Is this a reasonable amount of money for this policy or can I do much better. They are two separate policies for the same thing.

You can probably do better.


2. Is it worth my wife waiting to get hers until later instead of buying a policy now? It seems as if there is not as big as difference in price as I thought it would be considering her age. I do know that there is a discount because of the two of us buying it, but is it that much of a discout?

It's not worth it to have her wait because you'll lose the marital discount on your policy and she'll lose years of inflation growth in her policy.



3. Am I making a mistake with a 90 elimination period instead of 30 day? I am not rich, but not poor so that puts me in middle America with our income over $200,000 a year. The agent felt that if we had to use it, Medicare would cover the first 90 days before we would have to pay.


Just get the zero day home healthcare elimination period.


4. Since California is so expensive with healthcare, do you think I should do less years with a higher daily benefit like $400 and reduce or eliminate the compounding? I read conflicting views on this on a thread in this forum.

DO NOT BUY $400 per day with no inflation benefit.
You're much better off in the long run starting with $200 and growing by 5% compound.





5. Should I do 10 pay or pay to 65? Do you avoid increases if you do that? If I did which would it make sense to not have the survivorship option if it will be paid for anyway?


If you do the 10 pay then dump the survivorship.


6. Should I consider other options that could save us more money, but still provide good value. Would a shared pool do that?

That's not always a better value. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.


Or what about a life insurance policy with a LTC rider? Is that wise?

Total waste of money at your age.


I would be very grateful to hear your thoughts on this? I figure I could get a more objective view since none of you are actually selling a policy to me.

We could if you'd like.
 
Hello,

I am looking at a comprehensive policy that gives me 4 years, at $200/day, with a 5% inflation rate, with a 90 elimination period. Genworth has a quote of $1866 for me and $1501 for my wife. I live in California and this is a partnership policy. This policy has a high limit residential care rider and it has a survivorship benefit. This is at the preferred rating from Genworth.

I have a few questions:

4. Since California is so expensive with healthcare, do you think I should do less years with a higher daily benefit like $400 and reduce or eliminate the compounding? I read conflicting views on this on a thread in this forum.

If you want a Partnership policy this is not an option to reduce/eliminate the inflation benefit at your ages.

6. Should I consider other options that could save us more money, but still provide good value. Would a shared pool do that?

Not available on Partnership policies

I would be very grateful to hear your thoughts on this? I figure I could get a more objective view since none of you are actually selling a policy to me.

I would talk with an agent about the suitability of a Partnership policy in your situation. The policies & asset protection and other features can make a lot of sense but not appropriate for everybody.
 
First, congratulations on looking into LTC planning while you are young & healthy. I agree with the others that you should find an indepedent agent in your area. A good place to find one might be ltc-cltc.com My two cents is any policy is the one that is inforce when you need care. All of the options are just like a car. What do you want and need to feel comfortable with your choice for the next 30-40 years (hopefully!) Good luch in your search.
 
Make sure you factor big premium increases into your budget for the future....60-90% maybe a good reference point for increases.

Why do you think a policy purchased today is likely to have a 60% to 90% premium increase?
 
Make sure you factor big premium increases into your budget for the future....60-90% maybe a good reference point for increases.

This increase would stop anyone from joining. It would freeze them. However, I know that there are increases. I was wondering that if I paid over 10 years or until 65 that I would not see an increase. Is that true or should I just pay each year?

I have 10 pay with my life insurance. I will not have to pay for it during my retirement. That would be one less bill. If I pay for LTC that way then that would be two less bills.
 
Hello,

I am looking at a comprehensive policy that gives me 4 years, at $200/day, with a 5% inflation rate, with a 90 elimination period. Genworth has a quote of $1866 for me and $1501 for my wife. I live in California and this is a partnership policy. This policy has a high limit residential care rider and it has a survivorship benefit. This is at the preferred rating from Genworth.

I have a few questions:

4. Since California is so expensive with healthcare, do you think I should do less years with a higher daily benefit like $400 and reduce or eliminate the compounding? I read conflicting views on this on a thread in this forum.

If you want a Partnership policy this is not an option to reduce/eliminate the inflation benefit at your ages.

6. Should I consider other options that could save us more money, but still provide good value. Would a shared pool do that?

Not available on Partnership policies

I would be very grateful to hear your thoughts on this? I figure I could get a more objective view since none of you are actually selling a policy to me.

I would talk with an agent about the suitability of a Partnership policy in your situation. The policies & asset protection and other features can make a lot of sense but not appropriate for everybody.

I did get this quote from a Genworth agent. The advantages of the partnership policy does appeal to me as I do want to protect my retirement accounts.
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I did consult with an independent agent. There are not a lot of companies that do business with the partnership program in California. It is definitely to my advantage to have that program with my assets. It really just seems to up to me. Genworth's prices are competitive. Are they about to have a price increase or is that a ploy to get me to buy immediately?

I am amazed at the differences in the premiums between me and my wife for benefits by either changing the number of years of coverage, the amount of benefit or benefit increase.

Mutual of Omaha is competitive but not partnership. They have the shared pool that I like. It seems to me that Genworth has the best partnership policy that is priced resonably.
 
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"I am amazed at the differences in the premiums between me and my wife for benefits by either changing the number of years of coverage, the amount of benefit or benefit increase."

Why is that so amazing? Increasing benefits cost more money.
The biggest risk to the insurance company is in the first two years of coverage. The cost of adding more coverage years decreases as you build because the odds of needing care for longer periods is less than it is for shorter periods.

Inflation coverage is expensive, but where else can you get a company to guarantee you a 5% growth on your money...forever....
 
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