What exactly is going on here? Are we speculating that he could leave at some point like Beck because they are all pinkos over there or is something in the works?
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I looked up the bio on the fellow who wrote this to see why he was being so vitriolic about the immigration issue and Dobbs. Not saying that is not okay. I am just checking his independence while he is questioning Dobb's independence.
He is an immigrant from Columbia. Teaches Latino studies at Harvard among other things and owned a string of spanish language newspapers in the Rio Grand valley. That's fine. Just wanted to see what team he was playing for before reading it.
Dobbs was the canary in the mine. And I agree somewhat with the lib writer here in his contention that much of American politics to come will be dictated to by the latino vote and the lib media who must line up accordingly. Perhaps I summarized his words differently than he would.
Be interesting to see what Dobbs says on the Factor on Monday.
Actually I like the idea of having a network that doesn't lean one way or the other. Currently there's Fox leaning one way and everyone else leaning the other, to varying degrees.
But it's only an idea. The pressures of the industry are far too strong for it to work, because hyperbole and spin are much more "interesting" to watch.
If you want both sides of the story, you need to check (at very least) two or three sources. American journalism is dead.
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So if you have one righty, your network is not lefty.
Does that mean if Fox has a lefty, their network is not righty?
Just making the distinction between left and left-leaning. But did not take into consideration ownership.
Murdoch is righty, right? Whereas msnbc is lefty only for the last 3 or 4 years. I don't view msnbc as programming for ideological purposes. Rather, they have lefty shows because there is an audience which results in ratings and ad dollars.
I doubt there are enough "middle of the road" viewers to support better ratings for cnn. Just because there are more voters registered as independent than R or D, doesn't means those voters don't have a bias one way or another.
Just making the distinction between left and left-leaning. But did not take into consideration ownership.
Murdoch is righty, right? Whereas msnbc is lefty only for the last 3 or 4 years. I don't view msnbc as programming for ideological purposes. Rather, they have lefty shows because there is an audience which results in ratings and ad dollars.
I doubt there are enough "middle of the road" viewers to support better ratings for cnn. Just because there are more voters registered as independent than R or D, doesn't means those voters don't have a bias one way or another.
MSNBC's ratings SUCK. If they wanted to make money they would move to the right, but they don't want to make money, they want to make propaganda.
Most independent/moderates are liberals who won't admit it.
I seriously doubt Murdoch determines an agenda for content.
I doubt there are enough "middle of the road" viewers to support better ratings for cnn. Just because there are more voters registered as independent than R or D, doesn't means those voters don't have a bias one way or another.
I dont do the research so cant stand behind it but Fox's polls show that they now have more democrats watching them than MSNBC. MSNBC may lay claim to a higher per cent of dem viewers than Fox but their market share is so small that that is still smaller than the number of dems watching FOX in real numbers.
Thus, if there are so many dems who can find their way over to Fox, it would seem to me that some or more could at least find their way to CNN if they .liked the programming which apparently they dont or that there are other choices. I dont have issue with CNN and watch some of their stuff when making the rounds with the remote. If they were the only channel and the only source of news I might have to analyze them but they are not and I dont. Katy Couric seems like she could be a nice person but she is so depressed and morose I have to move on after five or ten seconds. The MSNBC crowd is what it is and they can do whatever they want. I have no need to change them due to the large number of other choices, outside of TV as well. As Jay Leno says, MSNBC is also known as "Obama campaign headquarters." That's fine. Everyone sees their gig.
I dont do the research so cant stand behind it but Fox's polls show that they now have more democrats watching them than MSNBC.
I watch Fox for the same reason I listen to Rush... it is entertaining. While I DO like to hear "the other side" and try to understand their position, most often the views expressed on Fox and Rush just reinforce my current political views.
MSNBC may lay claim to a higher per cent of dem viewers than Fox but their market share is so small that that is still smaller than the number of dems watching FOX in real numbers.
Pure numbers don't matter. It is the "quality" of those numbers. If all Fox got were low-educated, blue-collar Southerners no one would care... as opposed to drawing so-called "opinion-leaders"... teachers, cops, business people, etc.... the people in your community that YOU listen to when you go to a dinner party or whom you might sit next to at a ball game, etc.
I don't know the demographics of Fox or MSNBC. I'm sure the demographics of the 3 non-cable news shows are older people like myself because all they ever do is pitch big pharma to us... which is a indication of who is watching.
So are boomers like me from the Woodstock generation more "liberal" or more "conservative?" I don't know, but I'm convinced that blowing an interview on Fox is hardly as catastrophic and blowing one on the CBS Couric show, as Palin did.
Folks, I've been around the media for many, many years and have served as "press person" for local candidates. The first rule when it comes to understanding media is that their mission is not to present the news, but to sell advertising. They are NOT in the news business. The "news" is just a vehicle to get eyeballs to ads paid for by advertisers and which pay the salaries of those who write the news.
The second thing is that you can get a pretty good "feel" for whom a media outlet is "reaching" by the ads that they carry (i.e which are "bought.")
Take a look at who advertises on the Rush show. Same with MSNBC vs. Fox vs. CNN. Good advertising agencies who advise their clients on where to make media buys in order to get their message out (i.e. increase sales) study demos all day long and have a lot at stake in being right... or wrong.
Does "liberal" Apple Computer advertise on Fox? I don't know, but I would doubt it. If I were buying media for Apple, I wouldn't bother with them... I'd go to CNN or MSNBC... because Apple owners poll as more socially liberal than non-Apple owners. (I have no idea why... but contrast the dress and demeanor of Steve Jobs with Steve Balmer (prez of Microsoft.)
And if you still believe in the so-called "iron wall" of separation between the editorial and advertising departments (which was true maybe 30 years ago) I want to talk to you about zero-premium life insurance or how you will make a fortune raising goats.
Mmmm...... actually agreeing with an Al post here.
Looking at advertising can actually be amusing. Guess which shows push gold as a good investment? Maybe the ones that are scaring the bejesus out of people?
As for exposing "truth" as a primary concern in journalism, I personally have never seen much evidence of that. I have personally seen journalists bending over backwards to create a story where none exists or bend the facts to the breaking point to make a story more "interesting" or to satisfy whatever bottom line or agenda they are trying to reach.
Folks, I've been around the media for many, many years and have served as "press person" for local candidates.
Darn, that's a frightening, truly scary thought.
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I have personally seen journalists bending over backwards to create a story where none exists or bend the facts to the breaking point to make a story more "interesting" or to satisfy whatever bottom line or agenda they are trying to reach.
Fort Hood comes to mind. Those pesky news people. Some actually want to call that an act of terrorism. Just trying to scare people and cause trouble. More sober news organizations have been much more calm and rational. After all, it's just another mass murder like Columbine or Virginia Tech.
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Nice to have some lib analysis of how Fox is doing everything wrong but they just dont realize it yet. The brie and chablis crowd is watching msnbc and listening to NPR (gotta get that tote bag) so that is where all the people who really count go for the news. I bet Fox is just in a tizzy trying bring them in under the tent. Maybe if they offered a free garlic press for signing up for the Fox Busniess Channel that would work. Tools you can use.
Nice to have some lib analysis of how Fox is doing everything wrong but they just dont realize it yet. The brie and chablis crowd is watching msnbc and listening to NPR (gotta get that tote bag) so that is where all the people who really count go for the news. I bet Fox is just in a tizzy trying bring them in under the tent. Maybe if they offered a free garlic press for signing up for the Fox Busniess Channel that would work. Tools you can use.
It's funny isn't it. On the one hand they dismiss Fox as meaningless, while at the same time attacking it as conservative bias that needs to be regulated.
Which is it? The liberal answer "Both".
Only in the mind of a liberal can two contradictory thoughts reside without cause for concern.
While CNN lost the overall ratings race several years ago, the network's primetime struggles have worsened this year. In October, CNN finished last behind Fox News, MSNBC and, most embarrassingly, its own sister network, Headline News, or HLN, among 25-to-54-year-old viewers, the age group that matters most to advertisers.
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