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[al3]

Governor calls for firing of justice in interracial marriage case - CNN.com

All you Limbaugh-loon, right-wing, conservatives who wish to take this country back to Alabama of 1958 have a new hero...Keith Bardwell... who refused to perform an interracial marriage in Louisiana.

Would he be hailed as a hero in this venue? Is the Pope Catholic?

I have no doubt that that the only Supreme Court ruling you neos hate more than Roe v. Wade and Brown v. Board is Loving v. Virginia.

I'm sure that ins.dave will be naming his next dog "Bardwell." And every county in Kentucky and West Virginia, as well as in South Carolina will be naming a school after this guy.

It's a great day to be a neo-con... yes it is... because "In your heart you know he's right."

[WinoBlues]

Governor calls for firing? Who is the governor of Louisiana?

Originally Posted by al3

Governor calls for firing of justice in interracial marriage case - CNN.com

All you Limbaugh-loon, right-wing, conservatives who wish to take this country back to Alabama of 1958 have a new hero...Keith Bardwell... who refused to perform an interracial marriage in Louisiana.

Would he be hailed as a hero in this venue? Is the Pope Catholic?

I have no doubt that that the only Supreme Court ruling you neos hate more than Roe v. Wade and Brown v. Board is Loving v. Virginia.

I'm sure that ins.dave will be naming his next dog "Bardwell." And every county in Kentucky and West Virginia, as well as in South Carolina will be naming a school after this guy.

It's a great day to be a neo-con... yes it is... because "In your heart you know he's right."

[Patriot]

Originally Posted by al3

...interracial marriage...

Agree he should refuse and step down, according to his personal beliefs. However, hypocritical libs are always missing the point (duh). "For the children" they always say. Here's reality. I knew an adult child of an interracial couple well enough for him to admit he was confused about his heritage and suicidal because of it. Just sayin'. "For the children"???? Selfish liberal "parents" maybe?. Intentions are worthless but irresponsible actions have (potential life and death) consequences. Who cares? Just go roll another one and drink up!, right? Responsibles always have to clean up after the party. Or try to. Somebody has to.

"...resides with the individual and cannot be infringed by the state..." applies to lots of stuff being attempted nowadays, eh? Man, we're sure upside-down!

BTW, our little local elections were just held and the lib incumbents were ALL THROWN OUT, for the most part. Good sign, eh? Blue state, county, and city. Sign of bigger things to come, I do pray. Perhaps responsibility and common sense will turnout and make a comeback.

It's been shoved so far left that the sonic boom you will hear shall be caused by the breaking of the sound barrier due to the speed in the return of the proverbial political pendulum.

[Winter]

The issue is that in Louisiana this person is a justice of the peace. In many instances throughout the country, a minister or priest marries but must then file the marriage certificate with the state so that even though a religious ceremony was performed in becomes a civil marriage on record. In the first instance, I think anyone who acts as a quasi-state official should be fired as in the case that was reported. In the second instance, I think ministers etc, can and should be able to refuse to marry anyone they want. If a minister is Christian and doesnt want to marry a couple because one is a Pagan and the other is Muslim, then so be it. Or if the state adopts a gay marriage law and they refuse to perform that type of marriage then that should be their choice or if the state approves marriage between three or more people. Again, the difference is that in Louisiana, or if it is a municipal clerk in some state, then they are acting as a state official versus a minister who is merely recording a marriage certificate with the state.

Note to libs: Do not interpret my comments to mean that I supported the actions in the case that was reported. I didn't.

[al3]

Originally Posted by Patriot

Responsibles always have to clean up after the party. Or try to. Somebody has to.

Yeah... but it surely isn't you right-wing, whack-jobs because by definition all you care about is yourself. You folks are the poster children of greed, avarice, and xenophobia. Let the poor starve, let the sick die is YOUR credo. It's not YOUR responsibility. Why should YOU care? What's in it for YOU?

BTW, our little local elections were just held and the lib incumbents were ALL THROWN OUT, for the most part. Good sign, eh? Blue state, county, and city.

Blue? I rather doubt that. When you post from the darkness you can say anything you want. But the corollary to that is the rest of us can (and do... and should) call you a liar.

But just for fun, say it's true. So is your town bringing back Alabama of1958? You going to outlaw interracial marriage? I suppose you will have white-only public accommodations? And I assume you will suspend all due-process and just lynch anyone you disagree with and can get enough drunken red-necks to help you do the job.

Yeah, I can't wait to live in YOUR little town.

Getcha bible
And getcha rope
Walk the streets
That have no hope
Getcha friends
And gather 'round
... gonna be good times ahead in your little town." **

Al

**(In 1961 I wrote a song with that chorus in it and took it around to the clubs in NYC and hoped to get Dylan, or Joan Baez or PP&M to sing it but it never happened. They were all there... were not stars... actually they were "nobody's" and were also not very good... but all of us "kids" knew that many of the performers we saw at Cafe Wa or the Bitter End or Village Gate would "make it" one day. (These were "coffee houses (no, not like Starbucks!) where no booze was served so there were no age limits (not that they would be enforced anyway in Greenwich Village!))

PP&M's first album cover was shot at the Bitter End in NYC.




I met Dylan and PP&M several times but didn't hang with them of course as I was too young... still in school and knew I was headed for college. I wish I could go back and change THAT decision! (I also was a pretty fair musician with a good voice (which I still have)... but not star-quality by a long shot!))

[tcarlj]

Al, I'll waste my breath for a few minutes. Why on earth do you think that we are all racist? For that matter, why do you think we agree with every single person who proclaims themselves as a Republican? Do you agree with every single person who is a liberal Democrat? Do you agree with Whoopi Goldburg that it wasn't "rape-rape"? Whatever the hell that is.

There are more than enough idiots on both sides of the fence, I'm sure we can agree on that. I'm also sure you don't agree with everyone on your side of the fence. I certainly don't agree with everyone who is a Republican or a conservative.

I'm way more of a fiscal conservative than I am a social conservative. I couldn't care less who marries who. In this part of the country, if you're a racist, you aren't going to make it in this business.

All I want from this administration is some form of fiscal responsibility. Every time I hear about more spending, I think about Adolph Hitler meeting with his Economic advisors. When told the country was going broke, he said just print more money. And I'll save you some typing and say I'm not comparing Obama to Hitler in any way, shape or form.

[MedicarePlanSolutions]

Originally Posted by tcarlj

Al, I'll waste my breath for a few minutes. Why on earth do you think that we are all racist? For that matter, why do you think we agree with every single person who proclaims themselves as a Republican? Do you agree with every single person who is a liberal Democrat? Do you agree with Whoopi Goldburg that it wasn't "rape-rape"? Whatever the hell that is.

There are more than enough idiots on both sides of the fence, I'm sure we can agree on that. I'm also sure you don't agree with everyone on your side of the fence. I certainly don't agree with everyone who is a Republican or a conservative.

I'm way more of a fiscal conservative than I am a social conservative. I couldn't care less who marries who. In this part of the country, if you're a racist, you aren't going to make it in this business.

All I want from this administration is some form of fiscal responsibility. Every time I hear about more spending, I think about Adolph Hitler meeting with his Economic advisors. When told the country was going broke, he said just print more money. And I'll save you some typing and say I'm not comparing Obama to Hitler in any way, shape or form.

Grumble grumble grumble, racist neo-cons, grumble grumble grumble grumble, xenophobic, gripe complain grumble, back in my day, grumble neo-cons grumble, if you're not with us then get out of the way, grumble grumble, neo-cons, I'm almost the smartest person here, grumble grumble, whine complain, any change is a good change, neo-cons, neo-cons neo-cons! Back in 1965 grumble grumble neo-con this, neo-con that.

Al3

[WinoBlues]

OK, I was with you till the below. I once knew a white irishman that was a child rapist. What has one person's actions got to do with the majority.

Now, that judge is a dip sheet. But the Republican Governor will kick is dumb ass to the curb. ~if~ this judge is a Republican his racism hurts us as much a Maxine Water's hurts the Democrats.

Originally Posted by Patriot

Agree he should refuse and step down, according to his personal beliefs. However, hypocritical libs are always missing the point (duh). "For the children" they always say. Here's reality. I knew an adult child of an interracial couple well enough for him to admit he was confused about his heritage and suicidal because of it. Just sayin'.

[al3]

Originally Posted by tcarlj

Al, I'll waste my breath for a few minutes. Why on earth do you think that we are all racist?

I do not use the word "all," I use the word "most" although "all" would not surprise me in THIS venue.

Why do I think this is one huge collection of racists? Simple. I have been on the board since Sam opened it and I read what arch-conservatives here post.

I know how to read. To me, you conservatives (collectively) are all racists who, in your heart of hearts truly hate Obama because he's not white, in your heart of hearts you blame immigrants (most of whom are not white) for all the ills of the nation, and in your heart of hearts really do believe in the old Southern conservative model of white-supremacy.

I honestly and truly believe in MY heart of hearts that the vast majority of agents in this venue would happily go back to Alabama of 1958. Simply read what they post here and you will come to the same conclusion.

With neo-cons everything that is wrong with this country is due to "outside agitators" (to bring back one of their favorite phrases.)

It's blacks, it's libs, it's Jews, it's immigrants, it's women, it's Hispanics, it's fat people, it's gun-registration advocates, it's pro-choice advocates, it's anti-war advocates, it's atheists, it's Catholics, it's Democrats, it's Independents, it's Northerners (yankees), it's ACORN, it's Hollywood, it's the liberal media, it's the DMV, it's the Court, it's everything and everyone that/whom they don't understand, can't understand, or simply don't want to understand. It's CHANGE. With neo-cons it's all about change... and any change that seems to "take away" from them and give to someone else... is evil.

If you honestly see yourself as a force that seeks to forge a better society by being a conservative neo-con, fine. Show me... because all I ever see here are the rantings and ravings i.e. "Obama is a Communist," from the radical right whack-jobs who are by far the majority of this web board... probably some 10,000 strong... v. the tiny handful of "progressives-moderates" like myself.

If you and your "kind" have a recipe for America and the complex, hi-tech, multi-cultural society we are now, I sure have not seen it. All I hear is bitch, complain, moan, rant, cry, rave, and a relentless cacophony of racial intolerance... all of which are expressions of your bitterness and despair that the country is moving on to a better, more just and more equal society... without you.

I hope this answers your question. Thank you for asking it.

Al

[tcarlj]

Originally Posted by al3

. all of which are expressions of your bitterness and despair that the country is moving on to a better, more just and more equal society...

that will collapse under the weight of its own debt, within 50 years for sure, very possibly within both of our lifetimes (I'm 47, I think Ive seen you mention you're in your 60's, correct me if I'm wrong). I personally believe the United States won't exist within 50 years. Mind you, I held this opinion years before our Socialist-in-Chief was elected to office.

I wish it were possible to take care of everyone, I truly do. But it's just not possible. Just look at Medicaid/Medicare, and that is all I need to see as an example. If being practical in my fiscal outlook on this country makes me an evil neo-con, well so be it.

Sure the healthcare system needs reforming. But fix the trial lawyers making probably billions on lawsuits. Fix the doctors overtesting for fear of lawsuits. Fix the rampant waste and fraud in medicare. Then see what we save and move on from there. Adding more cost to the taxpayers with Obamacare is a ludicrous solution, that we cannot sustain over the long term. Again, if being pragmatic makes me an evil neo-con, so be it. Theres a ton of ways to save money in our government. Let's get a handle on that before we waste more, and you KNOW that's what is going to happen.

You keep going back to most of us wanting to go back to 1958. My opinion is this. How this country treated blacks for literally centuries was a tragedy. I'm glad things have gotten better in that department. Not perfect yet, but certainly better than it was. Leaving the racial angle out of the picture, you know something? A lot of things WERE better in 1958. There was a student shot and killed in one of the local high schools yesterday. Not in a poor area high school but a fairly affluent area. I truthfully can say I have no idea what color the student was. Columbine killings, VA Tech school killings. Little of that crap happened back then. I have no desire whatsoever to return to Jim Crow, but believe me I would like to go back to a time when children respected adults. I would like to go back to a time when the work ethic was strong and was part of what made this country great.

Your more just and more equal society will collapse under the weight of its lack of fiscal responsibility and ethics. Hope I'm wrong, but I'm not. Again, if any of the above make me a heartless evil, neo-con, well, so be it.

[Winter]

Originally Posted by tcarlj

But fix the trial lawyers making probably billions on lawsuits..

John Edwards would be a prime example of a trial lawyer who needed to get fixed.

[palerider]

Sweet Home Alabama!

[AgentOrange]

Winter, lets play a game. I'll name a republican that called for someone to resign because they had an affair then had an affair themselves and you name a dem, only conditional to this year.

John Ensign

(I warn you this is a slanted game, even if I leave out the homosexual affairs Republicans have had this year)

[Winter]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Winter, lets play a game. I'll name a republican that called for someone to resign because they had an affair then had an affair themselves and you name a dem, only conditional to this year.

John Ensign

(I warn you this is a slanted game, even if I leave out the homosexual affairs Republicans have had this year)

Okay, I thought we were talking about trial lawyers. And you gotta admit Mr. Edwards was really putting the entire Dem party at risk by campaigning for President while populating the country outside of marriage. Fortunately he did not get the nomination saving the country from yet another mess.

But yeh, games are good. Let's play this game: Name a lib candidate who did have an affair but the lib press would not touch the story with a ten foot pole and completely ignored it until only a rag like the National Enquirer reported it. Then name a Republican candidate who did not have an affair in progress but the New York Times tried their best to create the story before it blew up in their faces, and the rest of the lib media brought no scorn whatsoever to the New York Times.

Answers: John Edwards and John McCain.

Okay, lets go into a bonus round. Name a conservative governor from Alaska who announced her candidacy and within hours every major lib media in the country had teams of investigative reporters on-site to find out anything and everything they could about her personal life. Compare this with a major democratic candidate who was able to campaign for months on a family loyalty theme while evading any press inquiry about his personal conduct whatsoever because there was no inquiry.

Answers: Sarah Palin and John Edwards

[Patriot]

Originally Posted by WinoBlues

OK, I was with you till the below. I once knew a white irishman that was a child rapist. What has one person's actions got to do with the majority.

Now, that judge is a dip sheet. But the Republican Governor will kick is dumb ass to the curb. ~if~ this judge is a Republican his racism hurts us as much a Maxine Water's hurts the Democrats.

Hey, I was "just sayin'", didn't mean it meant the majority, just happened to jibe with what the judge was saying about the possible effects on any children of the marriage.

Also, to expand, I don't agree WITH the judge's decision, I just agree he is free to believe what he wants, but if it conflicts with statutes, he needs to step down. There are certain things I might like to do, but knowing I am not qualified, I don't step up, so I don't have to step down.
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Originally Posted by al3

... and any change that seems to "take away" from them and give to someone else... is evil.

If I'm not mistaken, you just gave the definition of THEFT.

Oh, you! You are just such a nut job, aren't you?! Are you trying to trigger your LTC policy for "cognitive impairment"? (Just took a CE course and felt the need to use the term in a sentence.)
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Originally Posted by al3

Blue? I rather doubt that. ...

Yeah, I can't wait to live in YOUR little town.

Actually it's a rather largish city approaching 1 mil; hate the traffic. USED to be a small town in 1958.

When we were little our Dad had that PPM album. Didn't they sing "Puff, the Magic Dragon"? I remember that song very well. We also had the Chipmunks Christmas album.

[Robert Barney]

God help anyone attempting to defend a conservative from attacks of racism.

In the following example Juan Williams appeared on the O'Reilly Factor where he defended Rush Limbaugh against false charges of racism. Notice that Juan was told to "go back to the porch" at the end of this discussion/debate. Incidentally, the statement to Juan, "you can go back to the porch", is a charge that Juan is an Uncle Tom.

YouTube - Bill O'Reilly, Juan Williams and Warren...

So if a black liberal can't defend a white conservative against false charges of racism, who can? I don't know how anyone will ever deal with the vestiges of racism left in America when false charges of racism are made at the "drop of a hat" on any and every occasion simply to put political opponents on the defense. If you are losing a debate just yell racist, it's more effective than yelling "Fire" in a movie theatre.

As the father of two children who have successful mixed marriages, I deeply resent the argument that conservatives would cheer a blatant display of racism, such as a justice of the peace denying a marriage certificate to a couple because they are not of the same race. And as someone who knows many conservatives, I can assure you that I am not alone in that sentiment.

In fact my son and daughter-in-law ran into far more "odd stares" in Africa than they ever have here in America, and they currently live in Kentucky.

There are lots of liberal/socialist examples of racism in the world, past and present. Arguing that racism is more prominent among conservatives than liberals is patently absurd.

[Patriot]

I don't know anyone under 40 black or white, liberal or conservative, who is racist. They GREW UP together in the schools! Many are great friends, and some have married. It's actually quite amazing. FAMILIES (that keep their commitments and stay together) are the backbone of our culture.

If the only way the game can be played against us "older" folks is to play the so-called "race card" (and the throwbacks to 1958 Alabama et. al.), well, that is a pretty weak strategy and is getting old FAST. (Socialism/communism doesn't work, never has, and there is no other way to defend it, I guess).

The LAST thing the establishment libs want is to be defeated by a large "melting pot" of conservatives with old-fashioned American republican values. (Al, keyword is "melting pot" so your divisive rhetoric would NOT apply to this vast sea of colorful people.)

"From every nation, kindred, and tongue..."

God Bless You on this Sunday morning.