Some insist that he is still full speed ahead. Others say he cant/won't do it given everything else. I used to think that the cost of things was an important factor but I dont know how much that matters these days so I have no idea where the breaking point is when he would back off the idea.
My prediction over the years remains the same. He cannot pull off major health care reform so he will litter the countryside with halfway measures such as guaranteed issue and tax credits that will end out changing the sales landscape in a major way. It is interesting that he is considering Sebelius who is a former state Insurance Commissioner.
I'm personally so sick of hearing about this issue, Obama this, Obama that. If you're worried, don't sell health. Otherwise, run full speed ahead and adjust as things change. Bottom line, if you're a good salesman, you will prosper no matter what you do. If health becomes unprofitable to sell, I can transition to something else. No sense worrying about something you have absolutely no control over.
I'm personally so sick of hearing about this issue, Obama this, Obama that. If you're worried, don't sell health. Otherwise, run full speed ahead and adjust as things change. Bottom line, if you're a good salesman, you will prosper no matter what you do. If health becomes unprofitable to sell, I can transition to something else. No sense worrying about something you have absolutely no control over.
Not me. I expect to be more fully engaged in the issue as specific programs are proposed and approved/not approved. Might be right for others to shut down at this time though.
Not me. I expect to be more fully engaged in the issue as specific programs are proposed and approved/not approved. Might be right for others to shut down at this time though.
I'm all for people being "involved" and going to council meetings, legislative hearings, protesting in the streets, or just writing letters.
But explain to me exactly what good your "engagement" in the health care issue will accomplish? Whom do you expect will be listening to you? Do you really think you can re-play Harry and Louise and stop (or even slow down) the train heading toward total overhaul of the current health care financing system?
Maybe if you have some solutions of your own you can have some legitimacy in the dialectic. But as I understand it, all you have in your bag of tricks is the continuation of the current (discredited) system and opposition to anything else. You are the party of "no" and I might remind you that that party lost the last election in a landslide.
When I was a teen I remember reading about guys like you (mostly doctors) who yelled about the "doom" of our system that would be the result if Medicare was passed by the Congress... and yet even YOU would not repeal Medicare, would you? Somehow socialized medicine works fine of older people, but you and guys like you don't want to make it available to the general population. Why is that? You know what I say. Follow the money.
There is an old Hindu-Krishna saying that comes to mind when I read your post. "The dogs will bark... but the caravan will pass."
Yup. Look at the Obama's porkulus programs and follow the money. You will see him buying the support of democratic voters. Same with his health care proposals. Follow the money just as you suggest.
Socialism is now running rampant in Washington. This guy is not the pragmatist I thought he would be he is a populist.
We as freedom loving Americans must stand against the forces that promote this nationalization and socialization.
I no more believe in socialized medicine than I believe in bank bailouts. If an enterprise is corrupt or poorly run then that enterprise should fail. If a person is stupid or naive that person should fail also. I am not my brother's keeper for my brother is an alcoholic drug addicted credit junkie who is getting his due. I believe in the darwinian dynamic...The strong will prevail...the weak will perish. I am seeing mediocrity and failure rewarded on a massive scale and we as Americans must fight this before we find ourselves subsistence slaves in the land of liberty. I weep for the future where we do what feels right instead of what is right. Where we take from the producers to give to the losers. Where we reward physical labor the same as we reward mental ingenuity.
A man is paid directly in proportion to how valuable he is and how much it will cost to replace him. Make yourself invaluable through education, training and accomplishment and you need never fear being laid off. For in most cases those laid off are the expendable; those a business can operate without.
Why are financial professionals such as ourselves paid so well? The reason is simple not all can do what the successful among us do. We rainmake for companies and as a result we are a profit center not a cost to a company. The reality is this is the highest paid sector in the world and the reason is that we are able to SELL. All jobs are dependent on Sales. Hence sales is the highest paid sector of the economy.
No Sales produced- No Production needed- No Adminstration needed- No Taxes Paid- No Government funded
The cold hard reality of economics must be produce and be of value or be discarded and join the masses of the forlorn multitude who blame causes and circumstances for the failures that originate within. Government will provide subsistence to the masses but do you really want social justice and economic equivalency at the expense of economic opportunity and social mobility. If so we have the prototype of this system 90 miles off Key West.
We as freedom loving Americans must stand against the forces that promote this nationalization and socialization.
Let me see if I understand.
You would close down all the public schools... socialized education.
You would close down all the public health clinics... socialized medicine.
You would end the food-stamp program... socialized agriculture.
You would close down all the housing projects in the country... socialized housing.
You would elminate the FDA and FTC and allow poison peanut butter to be sold or tainted meat to be eaten since in a "free market" social-Darwinist state, such would be premitted.
You would eliminate all of the financial sector rules and regulations... as a hindrance to the "free market" you advocate.
And of course you would roll back ALL of the social legislation of the past 60 years... civil right, voting rights, women rights... because... it's everyone for themselves... and if you get lynched it's your own damn fault.
So to cut to the chase you would disband the government... all government... because after all, what do governments do but instigate and later preserve what you call socialism.
I'll tell you what I would like to see. I would like to see guys like you and Winter and Mr. Bill and everyone who agrees with you go and move to Alabama or Mississippi or someplace that already has a culture similar to what you preach above... and take over that state. All of you folks would have a "homeland" of your own and I'd be interested to see just how long it is before it turns into anarchy, chaos, and law of the jungle. Honestly, I think it would be a good idea. I'd love to see how all you right-wing whack-jobs get along... and for how long until you all degenerated into the "Lord of The Flies."
Isn't it amazing that if someone posts "I don't like subsidies for XXX," Al immediately rants that we should eliminate all social programs?
I think Obama is not doing what's best for America. According to Al that means I must be a racist.
I think Al is here simply to stir up trouble. That must mean I hate Jews.
I disagree with Acorn breaking into a home and stating that it's "civil disobedience." That must mean I'm in favor of people losing their houses.
Al, do you have any purpose on this forum other than to call people names? 90-95% of your posts are to tell us how much better you are, how you are god's gift to insurance, and how anyone that disagrees with you is a whacko. You've never been able to find a career in which you excelled. You think you have a varied background but the truth is that you've lost more jobs that any of us have held.
In the past 2 years, you've sold health insurance - FAILED. You worked for Mutual of Omana - FAILED (but you did beat the odds. We all bet 2 months - you lasted 3)
You should learn to respect those of us who have made a success out of our lives. You are a bitter, bitter man. (And I say that with much love).
Your BFF.
Rick
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Actually bring on Anarchy, I am building my body and honing my martial skills. I will do well in a dog eat dog darwinian warrior world. I would be the fittest and I would prevail.
I think Al is here simply to stir up trouble. That must mean I hate Jews.
With your anger management issues, you hate everyone.
Al, do you have any purpose on this forum other than to call people names?
Actually my sole purpose on this forum is to make your life miserable. And so you see... I'm not a total failure... because I have succeeded in making your miserable life... even more miserable.
Yay me.
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Actually bring on Anarchy, I am building my body and honing my martial skills. I will do well in a dog eat dog darwinian warrior world. I would be the fittest and I would prevail.
You think?
After you folks have poisoned the planet with industrial pollution (no EPA inspectors!) and you have poisoned the food supply with tainted commodities (no agricultural inspectors) and you have killed off a substantial part of the population with poison pharma (no FDA testing) and you have young street gangs roaming the cities (no schools open) what are you "prevailing" over?
I hope you can sew your clothes, grow your food, build your home, heal your sicknesses and defend your family because you will be living in the year 866 or close to that.
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You would close down all the public schools... socialized education.
You would close down all the public health clinics... socialized medicine.
You would end the food-stamp program... socialized agriculture.
You would close down all the housing projects in the country... socialized housing.
You are correct. I, nor the Founding Fathers, feel that the federal government should be involved in any of this. These things should all be done at the state and local level. They would be done better and cheaper.
Much love,
Ron
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And if there's no profit, it ain't much fun!
Actually my sole purpose on this forum is to make your life miserable. And so you see... I'm not a total failure... because I have succeeded in making your miserable life... even more miserable.
Do you really think you have any impact on my life? Get over yourself.
Some insist that he is still full speed ahead. Others say he cant/won't do it given everything else. I used to think that the cost of things was an important factor but I dont know how much that matters these days so I have no idea where the breaking point is when he would back off the idea.
My prediction over the years remains the same. He cannot pull off major health care reform so he will litter the countryside with halfway measures such as guaranteed issue and tax credits that will end out changing the sales landscape in a major way. It is interesting that he is considering Sebelius who is a former state Insurance Commissioner.
He is a combo of Chavez and Mugabe. Rick Santelli and Alan Keyes are right.
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Originally Posted by al3
With your anger management issues, you hate everyone.
Actually my sole purpose on this forum is to make your life miserable. And so you see... I'm not a total failure... because I have succeeded in making your miserable life... even more miserable.
Yay me.
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You think?
After you folks have poisoned the planet with industrial pollution (no EPA inspectors!) and you have poisoned the food supply with tainted commodities (no agricultural inspectors) and you have killed off a substantial part of the population with poison pharma (no FDA testing) and you have young street gangs roaming the cities (no schools open) what are you "prevailing" over?
I hope you can sew your clothes, grow your food, build your home, heal your sicknesses and defend your family because you will be living in the year 866 or close to that.
You street gangs thanks to open-borders and welfare brought to you by the Democrat Party and weak RINOs (Republicans in Name Only) like Juan McCain, Lindsay Graham, Spector, Charlie Crist and other.
It was liberals who gave endless benefits to illegal aliens which has harmed working class white and African American citizens. Started around 1965 with a bill that miurderer Teddy Kennedy passed to open ther borders. Eisenhower was probably the last President who protected the borders.
Year 866 - oh thise where Islam wants us to be. O is very close to Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood (Saudi Arabia) agressively exporting Wanahabbi Islam to the West.
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Rick Santelli was the shot heard round the world, he said what most producers and capitalists were thinking. I am not my brothers keeper...he is responsible for himself as I am responsible for myself.
This could be the start of the next revolution albeit a non violent one probably involving refusal by many to pay taxes. I would argue we now have no more representation on tax matters than the colonists did in Parliament.
Our representatives no longer represent the interests of the people until their last 6 months before election. They depend on lobbyists for perks and their vote is manipulated. They are inclined to promote a growth of government and taxes that is threatening the very freedom of this nation. There should be term limits (2 terms in congress and 1 term in the senate and that is all) That would solve the problem and then their wouldnt line their pockets and feather their nests as much.
I'll tell you what I would like to see. I would like to see guys like you and Winter and Mr. Bill and everyone who agrees with you go and move to Alabama or Mississippi or someplace that already has a culture similar to what you preach above... and take over that state. "
That does sound good. Actually I had California in mind though. Why not take over a state that has already collapsed as a result of the policies you advocate and having been completely run into the ground by all the pinko nutcases. You San Francisco guys will be required to put your pants on when you go out in public though.
This succession of posts is again another illustration
Of why I only read the sports and weather section
Of the newspaper. "When a certain type of leads or list
Becomes unprofitable or prohibitive, let's go to
Screen pass to the right and get 'er done!"
You're just another empty suit who posts behind a cloak from the shadows. It's easy to be a big man when you are anonymous. You and Healthguy along with the other right-wing cowards are the same.
How tough would you be if people knew where to find you? I bet I can find you. Indiana? That's a start.
You sure don't look like such a tough guy. I thought you to be much younger.
Son if you want to hide from others on the net, talk to healthguy. He's done a much better job at than you did. I've yet to un-earth him. You were just a few simple google searches on "ron van d".
What's your point? I'm not hiding from anyone and I most certainly am not hiding from you. Again, what does this add of substance to the discussion? Should we construe this as a threat?
As for substance, what substance do most of the threads have on this board. Most turn into food-fights... because no one knows the phrase "I understand your point but I respectfully disagree." Instead they post... what you posted... with the only intent to piss the other person off.
Get a life
Usually when people know that their words have consequences and will "follow them" they are often more careful about what they say in public.
It seemed to me that you are "acting out" and were emboldened by being "hidden" on this forum. You never posted your website or your name before (that I could find.)
If you are a normal "tough guy" that's fine too. If you are going to be just as abusive out in the open as you have been under the cloak, then go for it! Fine with me. I just like to know who I'm dealing with, and I think most others do as well. Also it gives you a lot more credibility when you have the guts to stand up to a person face to face and call him a blanky-blank... than when you do it like most of the cowards on this board do... from the shadows.
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