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Most economists believe that economy is essentially going to be down for all of 2009 and will start to show some recovery as we go ...


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Old 07-11-2009, 01:07 PM   #1
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Most economists believe that economy is essentially going to be down for all of 2009 and will start to show some recovery as we go into 2010. Between now and then there will hopefully continue to be signs that we have bottomed here and there. Just coincidently Barry is now saying that that is when the stimulus will begin to take effect. Interestly the European economies seem to following the same cycle even though they refused to go along with Obama on the stimulus spending.

Biden now says that if unemployment goes to 10% it would have gone to 12 without the stimulus. If it goes to 11, then it would have been 13. How he knows this, we don't know and neither does he. He says that the Administration failed to grasp the seriousness of the financial situation they inherited. Holy Shoot, all we heard last January was that the entire country was in a submarine headed toward the bottom of the ocean and that this was the worse crisis since the Great Depression. Everyone was led to believe that their private parts would fall off within the month if the stimulus package was not passed. Now Joe Biden is saying that they should have been more concerned. Okay fine.

When the economy begins to recover you will find that the European economy is recovering as well. Difference is, we will be a trillion or two in the hole from the various gimmicks.

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Old 07-11-2009, 07:06 PM   #2
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And still, the Chinese will tell us when we can do what Obama tells us he wants to do...
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Europe has had multiple stimulus plans ...

STOP MAKING THINGS UP WINTER

Nov. 2008
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso presented the European Union’s answer to the global economic slowdown Nov. 26, a recovery plan worth 200 billion euro (US$257 billion) aimed at sparking domestic demand and shoring up industries across the bloc


Feb 2009

France's Prime Minister Francois Fillon has unveiled a series of measures worth 26bn euros ($33.1bn; £23.5bn) designed to "revitalise" the French economy.

Nov 2008

Britain has unveiled a major economic stimulus package worth 20 billion pounds to reignite consumer spending and help the nation recover from a deep and painful recession expected next year.

BERLIN, Jan 12 (Reuters) - A new economic stimulus programme agreed by Germany's coalition parties on Monday will total 50 billion euros, a senior conservative political leader said.


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Old 07-13-2009, 07:28 AM   #4
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Europe has had multiple stimulus plans ...

STOP MAKING THINGS UP WINTER

Nov. 2008
European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso presented the European Union’s answer to the global economic slowdown Nov. 26, a recovery plan worth 200 billion euro (US$257 billion) aimed at sparking domestic demand and shoring up industries across the bloc


Feb 2009

France's Prime Minister Francois Fillon has unveiled a series of measures worth 26bn euros ($33.1bn; £23.5bn) designed to "revitalise" the French economy.

Nov 2008

Britain has unveiled a major economic stimulus package worth 20 billion pounds to reignite consumer spending and help the nation recover from a deep and painful recession expected next year.

BERLIN, Jan 12 (Reuters) - A new economic stimulus programme agreed by Germany's coalition parties on Monday will total 50 billion euros, a senior conservative political leader said.


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I don't disagree that Europe did some small packages in the time frames you cited in your sources. This was to match the early Bush/Obama TARP type early stimulus packages. However it is just a fact of life that when Obama moved to the next phase and jumped up to the next package of a trillion dollars that the Euopeans flat out said no when he asked them to match it. The head of the EU in fact characterized it as "the road to hell." There is no question that the Europeans would not go down the same road. Refer to any number of sources on this. It is just an historical and economic fact.

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