Who is going to break it? The AP? I don't think so. What newspaper in the country will print this? What network will run it? Tell me. I'm listening. You seem to be the media expert here, so please enlighten us.
most people do not know about this.
Is it because the McSame people don't know about it could not bring it to the debate tonight? Or maybe they DO know about it and have decided that it's not true? I go with number two here. After two years, there is nothing about either candidate the other candidate and the working press don't know about. The only one not fully vetted is Palin. If you are looking for an October surprise, look to her record and background.
Im not here to say this is true,
Than what ARE you here for? (Indeed why did you come to the USA. You hate what you see as its liberal government and the liberals whom you claim run it. Why didn't you emigrate to the UK or France? It's not too late.)
but if the Obama camp struggles with this...
At this level both sides are run by experienced, competent professionals who have huge paid staffs to do nothing but dig up (or invent) dirt on the other candidate. We're not talking about the election for camel-catcher in Gaza. This is big-time politics where the stakes and budgets and most often the professionalism is high.
its over.
It very well may be over after seeing tonight's debate.
For me, why do you black out the certificate#. That would reference to an original birth record in Hawaii. It is a reprint. But it seems to me like Obama could get the original birth record using it and remove all doubt. But for some reason, he does not want to release things like health and education records. My guess is there is something embarrassing in there, though probably nothing that rises to an October Surprise.
That said, if there is any truth to this birth certificate thing, I think it would have been uncovered by now. The Clintons play dirty, and if they could have knocked him out constitutionally, they would have.
Than what ARE you here for? Indeed why did you come to the USA. You hate what you see as its liberal government and the liberals whom you claim run it. Why didn't you emigrate to the UK or France? It's not too late.
To elaborate Al, since you seem not to comprehend the English language this evening, I was stating that I did not create this thread to say the rumors were true or not, I was simply sharing some information, as you do more than most members, since you are one of the most thread starters on this forum.
As far as why I came to the United States? Frankly, I was young when my family and I immigrated here. And since you seem to care as to why we came, I would be more than happy to elaborate.
You see, when my family was run out of there homes in Palestine and forced to live in refugee camps, my grandparents wanted more to life. Sadly, they lost everything, and if it was at all possible they would of fled the region. They couldn't afford it.
It was not until my fathers parents had 9 children, all of whom later got married, had children, and finally put enough money together to where they could immigrate to North America.
The reality is that most of my family moved to Michigan (where they already had family), or Toronto, Ontario Canada, but a couple moved to Cincinnati, OH where my uncle had started a Chili Restaurant. Every family member that came here had to be sponsored by a U.S. citizen.
You see Al, unlike most people that live here, were raised here, and have never left this country, I have experienced the third world, and I know better than to ask someone why they didnt immigrate to another country or to tell them that its not too late.
You may not realize this Al, but I am as much American as you are. My vote is worth the same as yours. I have the same opportunities that you do. SURPRISE!
You see the beauty of this country is that I can call you a dumbass if I wanted to. I could make fun of you for your weight, or call your wife a cow. I can share with people that your face looks like you ate out a Mammoth ass hole. I could do that if I wanted to.
Not only can I do that, but I can do that and not have to worry about someone knocking on my door and taking me away. This may be a suprise to you Al, but in some countries people are not free.
If I wanted to open up a restaurant next week I could! If I wanted to travel across the country, just because, I could!
You see Al, where I come from people are not free. When we would travel from the West Bank to Nazareth we would have to pass check points, and I would see people bullied by the Israeli military EVERYDAY. I would see people try to put up fruit stands to support their family and watch the Military take the fruit and break the stand.
Thats why I love this country Al, but your right when you say there are things I hate. And that is liberalism/socialism. And everyday MY COUNTRY gets closer to this, and I am pissed.
Unlike you, I dont need the government to be part of my everyday life, unlike you I see the government as the problem not as the solution, unlike you I believe people should be responsible for themselves and not sit around and wait for a hand out. Unlike you Al, I appreciate this country and wake up everyday grateful I live here. Unlike you Al, I am glad I have the RIGHT to respond to your rhetoric. Unlike you Al, I believe this country is inherently good. Unlike you Al, I love this country.
I hope this clears up any concerns you may have Al, and please, by all means, if you have any other concerns or questions please share over the public forum and not through PM.
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Thats why I love this country Al, but your right when you say there are things I hate. And that is liberalism/socialism. And everyday MY COUNTRY gets closer to this, and I am pissed.
Yeah, I can see that. So what are you going to do? Seems to me that you would be "pissed" (your words) enough to go to another country. That's what it sounds like to me.
Unlike you, I dont need the government to be part of my everyday life, unlike you I see the government as the problem not as the solution, unlike you I believe people should be responsible for themselves and not sit around and wait for a hand out.
Yes, but even according to you, this is where the country is now and will be more so in the future. So what's left for a guy like you? Are you going to live your life "pissed?" How are you going to cope with a liberal Obama administration?
Unlike you Al, I appreciate this country and wake up everyday grateful I live here. Unlike you Al, I am glad I have the RIGHT to respond to your rhetoric. Unlike you Al, I believe this country is inherently good. Unlike you Al, I love this country.
OK, Good. But it seems to me that as you get older and the country goes more and more toward the European model of socialism, that you are going to be more and more "pissed." It seems to me you would be much happier in some other country.
Let's see. You want one with little or no government. I might suggest some of the Latin American countries. Most of those governments are corrupt and as such ineffective. Of course the roads are not paved and you don't get 24 hours of electric power, but you don't have to pay much (or any) taxes, the education system is crap, and the economy is always in recession.
Then there is Africa. Lots of possibilities for you there. Chad, Botswana, hey why not Egypt? You might like Algeria too.
There are tough days ahead for you, my little friend. Love it, but I don't think the USA is the country you are going to be happy in.
What's going to happen when you run out of conservative Republicans to sell insurance to and all that is left are those hated liberals who voted for Obama. Would you really go to the home of a .... liberal? Oh the horror.
if you have any other concerns or questions please share over the public forum and not through PM.
Did I ever PM you? I don't remember doing so. If I did, I would not expect you to answer. You would not want it to get out that you were having a private correspondence with a.... liberal (who supports a candidate who pals around with terrorists.) No. You wouldn't want that to be found out.
Sorry Al, as much as your racist self would like to see me leave, I am hear to stay, pissed or not.
As for politics, I am smart enough to not discuss that with my clients. Well until I drive away with an app and they can see my bumper sticker:
"NOBama. You can keep the change"
BUt why don't you leave Al? You know there are some tibes in Africa that it is honorable for a man to have sexual relations with men. Its like San Fransisco except with more gays running around naked.
Now put a tissue under your chin so you dont salivate on the key board.
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Who is going to break it? The AP? I don't think so. What newspaper in the country will print this? What network will run it? Tell me. I'm listening. You seem to be the media expert here, so please enlighten us.
There was a truce called this summer in a meeting between Obama and Roger Ailes & Rupert Murdoch. They supposedly said they agreed to a tentative truce and would go easier on Obama and Obama would stop his Fox News Boycott.
Remember, in kind of a strange bedfellows deal, Hillary was using Fox to push the stories on Ayers & Rev. Wright because the other networks would not report on them. Eventually, the networks need to follow suit and report on the stories.
Today Obama attacked Fox in the media saying he would be higher in the polls if not for Fox News, then again attacked them in the debate. When the story broke, Cavuto looked pretty Pissed, so did Brit Hume. Fox has been more reactive than proactive the last few months. Maybe Obama thought he was far enough ahead where he could go on the attack against them. But if Fox is pissed off, they could go on the attack.
I am not saying it is going to happen, but if they are truly pissed, they may let loose the dogs. And given their ratings, if they run with a story, like say if they were to find something on the birth certificate, college record, the alleged affair with Vera Baker, or something else from the blogosphere that may have some truth to it, the rest of the media will have no choice but to cover it.
As for politics, I am smart enough to not discuss that with my clients. Well until I drive away with an app and they can see my bumper sticker:
OK. Let's say it is a week or so after the election. Makes no difference who won. You are sitting at my dinning room table where you are taking the app for a large annuity. You happen to see Obama's book on the corner and you notice the New York Times as well as The New Yorker and Tikkun Magazine piled up in the middle. You realize I'm a Jewish liberal.
I ask, "So Ramiz, did you support Senator Obama? Or were you for McCain?. How do you feel about abortion?"
OK. Let's say it is a week or so after the election. Makes no difference who won. You are sitting at my dinning room table where you are taking the app for a large annuity. You happen to see Obama's book on the corner and you notice the New York Times as well as The New Yorker and Tikkun Magazine piled up in the middle. You realize I'm a Jewish liberal.
I ask, "So Ramiz, did you support Senator Obama? Or were you for McCain?. How do you feel about abortion?"
I don't think they would have. There are way too many "power players" involved. Think about it....Media Matters, George Soros, MoveOn, and where's our dear sweet leader of the DNC been hiding????? Bill would've had to move his offices out of Harlem (because he just doesn't give people credit!)
William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein's government.
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