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Discussion on The Pajama Man within the General Insurance Agent Discussions, part of the Insurance Agents and Brokers Forum category.
I just saw this web ad fro The Pajama Man, Andy Ross. A franchise health insurance program. What the heck ... |
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03-12-2008, 07:44 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Moving to Texas
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bill
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Very interesting. There are some discrepancies between what he writes on the first link and what is included in the second link. I do like the fact that he shows his tax statements and he seems to have quite a few things covered.
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03-12-2008, 11:52 PM
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Where did you see the tax statements? Did you fill out the form? I didn't. All I read was where he wants you to spend $500/ mo for marketing. Seems like internet leads would cost a lot more.
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03-13-2008, 12:08 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Moving to Texas
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bill
Where did you see the tax statements? Did you fill out the form? I didn't. All I read was where he wants you to spend $500/ mo for marketing. Seems like internet leads would cost a lot more. |
I filled out the sign up form using John P's information and was taken to his site that has an area depicting his 2006 statements. Nothing for 2007.
I'm curious to see how he purports to generate $500 a day with no telemarketing or B2B for $500. Right now I'm skeptical, but we'll see what I find it.
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03-13-2008, 12:27 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kansas City
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Why could someone not do the same thing themselves with live transfer leads?
He could have at least cleaned off his desk for the web presentation.
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I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale. - Thomas Jefferson
www.mymidwestbroker.com
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03-13-2008, 06:51 AM
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Will be very interesting to see what his follow up is. By accident I think I found the same website that has his 1099s - The Pajama-Man - Introduction The website also seems to explain his process.
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03-13-2008, 08:39 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: TX
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I had an organization want me to sign up for doing everything online. They will train, etc. You'll spend two days watching how successful people do it at another location. I'm assuming this is the same thing sort of except this guy is going to give you his "secrets" for $5,000.
When you listen to the connect the dots on his website it's what we know we should be doing, just most of us, me included, aren't doing it.
Sure is a lot of this kind of stuff out there being sold for big bucks.
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03-13-2008, 09:02 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Atlanta
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He is an MLM guy, probably got on the Excel wave based on his comments. I know folks who got into Excel early on and make several hundred thousand per year before it crashed & burned.
I suspect he is also using internet leads, a website with quote engine, etc.
I have a pipeline to UHC and have asked to be enlightened into this guys system. Should have something to report later today.
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03-13-2008, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by somarco
He is an MLM guy, probably got on the Excel wave based on his comments. I know folks who got into Excel early on and make several hundred thousand per year before it crashed & burned.
I suspect he is also using internet leads, a website with quote engine, etc.
I have a pipeline to UHC and have asked to be enlightened into this guys system. Should have something to report later today.
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I'm all eyes as it seems interesting
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03-13-2008, 03:04 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
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"There's a sucker born every minute."
- P.T. Barnum
1810-1891
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03-13-2008, 03:21 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Kansas City
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With websites, online apps, web presentations, etc. why couldn't you do all this without leaving your desk?
He is just smart enough or people are dumb enough to pay him big money for the same info you could get here for free.
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I sincerely believe that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies, and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale. - Thomas Jefferson
www.mymidwestbroker.com
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03-13-2008, 03:31 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bill
Will be very interesting to see what his follow up is. By accident I think I found the same website that has his 1099s - The Pajama-Man - Introduction The website also seems to explain his process. |
I checked it out. LOVE the testimonial letter from the gal with Pacificare of Nevada...so obviously ALTERED a four year old could figure it out!
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"It's a hard game, for hard guys." - Jon Gruden
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03-13-2008, 03:36 PM
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It's not so much that people are "dumb" or "stupid" - some just see a certain value in certain programs.
Provided they know the cost upfront, know any ongoing or recurring fees and know what the program benefits are - AND - still want to join - WELL - to each their own I say.
Just because the "traditional" agents can't see the forest for the trees - doesn't mean there isn't a forest . . .
The key is - is there value in the system? Does it provide a benefit that can't be found elsewhere or at a better price? Does it have a decent ROI? Does the buyer understand what they are buying AND do they believe they can benefit from joining?
Easy for people to yell "scam", "sucker born every minute", etc - when most just don't understand the product . . .
Tom
p.s. - MLM isn't the problem. It's only a distribution system.
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03-13-2008, 03:39 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Tampa Bay, FL
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Originally Posted by myinsurebiz
It's not so much that people are "dumb" or "stupid" - some just see a certain value in certain programs.
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Sorry Tom, must disagree - based on experience.
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03-13-2008, 03:48 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Gilroy, California
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Originally Posted by moonlightandmargaritas
I checked it out. LOVE the testimonial letter from the gal with Pacificare of Nevada...so obviously ALTERED a four year old could figure it out!
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I looked at this document and noticed that both "Nevada" and "in Nevada" in the second paragraph are alterations, and not well-done alterations. Fonts don't match. I wonder what the original was.
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03-13-2008, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by myinsurebiz
p.s. - MLM isn't the problem. It's only a distribution system.
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Tom,
Actually, MLM is a problem in this business. You have one of two options. Either you use an overpriced product so everyone can get paid. Or you reduce the commissions for everyone in the downline so everyone can get paid.
We only have to look as far as Primerica to realize this. Their term rates are not competitive nor are the commissions they pay entry level to mid level people. Why is this? Well, in order to pay so many people in a downline, either the product is overpriced or the piece of the pie is cut.
Sure, someone makes a boatload, but it's not the typical agent. I came across something some time back about the "Primerica Opportuntiy" and I made a copy of it. It's long, but worth the read (note: The website referenced below no longer exists. I wonder why?).
HAVE YOU BEEN MISLED BY THE PRIMERICA MYTH? | | | | | | | | | | |
The Pajama Man
