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[COLOR=#333333]The [COLOR=#0e4d96] AP [/COLOR] (10/16, Werner) notes that Speaker Pelosi argued "that the case is growing stronger for allowing the government to sell health insurance ...
[COLOR=#333333]The [COLOR=#0e4d96]AP[/COLOR] (10/16, Werner) notes that Speaker Pelosi argued "that the case is growing stronger for allowing the government to sell health insurance in competition with private companies, contending recent attacks from the industry should dispel any doubts." She said, "Anyone who had any doubts about the need for such an option need only look at the behavior of the health insurance industry this week." [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]What does she think the insurers will do? Sit back and let the government take over their industry? I mean come on if the Government decided to get into the retail business because pepole were spending too much on consumer goods do you think WalMart would just sit back and say hey that's great bring on the competition. No they would fight it every step of the way and the industry as a whole would spend millions trying to stop it. Sound familiar....[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]It's amazing some of the idiotic ideas and comments coming out of this debate (on both sides). It is no longer about trying to improve the system but about making the other side look like the bad guy. In the end all this will likely not really help anyone.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]The [COLOR=#0e4d96]AP[/COLOR] (10/16, Werner) notes that Speaker Pelosi argued "that the case is growing stronger for allowing the government to sell health insurance in competition with private companies, contending recent attacks from the industry should dispel any doubts." She said, "Anyone who had any doubts about the need for such an option need only look at the behavior of the health insurance industry this week." [/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]What does she think the insurers will do? Sit back and let the government take over their industry? I mean come on if the Government decided to get into the retail business because pepole were spending too much on consumer goods do you think WalMart would just sit back and say hey that's great bring on the competition. No they would fight it every step of the way and the industry as a whole would spend millions trying to stop it. Sound familiar....[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#333333]It's amazing some of the idiotic ideas and comments coming out of this debate (on both sides). It is no longer about trying to improve the system but about making the other side look like the bad guy. In the end all this will likely not really help anyone.[/COLOR]
Your Wal-Mart analogy is appreciated.
The idea that Govt. can step in and offer an alternative to a good or service that is available from the private sector is more than a little disturbing.
“Reform” indeed. Why is this industry different than any other? SOME legislation, not obliteration.
Pelosi. Enough of that yappy little cha wa wa.
What’s next?
I know, if Thelma’s Barbecue doesn’t toe whatever line they decide to draw in the future, they’ll just open up Barry’s Beefy Bone’s next door, ya know just to keep the prices down for all you grilled meat lovers? Maybe offer subsidized beer to sweeten the deal a lil bit?
Makes me SICK!
If government can do it better and cheaper than the insurance industry, then do it. If government can't, then don't do it. It's a simple yes or no, either or proposition.
Pelosi has gone out of her way to demonize the insurance industry thinking that it will rally troops to her cause.
The only reason that the public option is not such a lightning rid is the fact that it's not is the Baucus bill. And there are no more town hall meetings for people to voice their anger.
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Pelosi has gone out of her way to demonize the insurance industry thinking that it will rally troops to her cause.
The only reason that the public option is not such a lightning rid is the fact that it's not is the Baucus bill. And there are no more town hall meetings for people to voice their anger.
Right.
And you KNOW, they thought that they were going to have big time support for a public option expressed at these town halls which they no doubt intended to use as media fodder to support and promote their "cause."
Didn't exactly work out, but ... "the fight goes on ..."
Ad nauseaum.
This just in.
Why the hell don't the repubs. hold some "town hall " meetings in order to keep the brain functioning public's views on this in the media forefront?
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Originally Posted by atlantainsguy
If government can do it better and cheaper than the insurance industry, then do it. If government can't, then don't do it. It's a simple yes or no, either or proposition.
Atlantainsguy
Da comrade Da.
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The road to the insurance industry is paved with broken promises, fine print, and bones of their agents.
Ins.dave and the rest of you folks have been in this business long enough to know how the industry generally operates. With a few exceptions, the blue Correction Dept. bus should empty-out and load-up every "corner office" occupant.
I was a company marketing officer for many years. I know first-hand what a bunch of theives and bandits most of these companies are.
Many of the products are wonderful, and help millions of families. The industry itself, however, is as phony as the last Afghan election.
I wish someone would point out what the government does well, aside from military, courts and road building (maybe).
And saying "Medicare" doesn't qualify because they spend twice what they take in.
Government corrupts and absolute government corrupts absolutely (TM).
Rick
I recently saw a posting showing medicare percentage of claims denied was higher than Aetnas which was the industries highest....and with medicare you can't shop your core coverage like you could with a private carrier.....not to mention that Medicare is going broke.
The road to the insurance industry is paved with broken promises, fine print, and bones of their agents.
Ins.dave and the rest of you folks have been in this business long enough to know how the industry generally operates. With a few exceptions, the blue Correction Dept. bus should empty-out and load-up every "corner office" occupant.
I was a company marketing officer for many years. I know first-hand what a bunch of theives and bandits most of these companies are.
Many of the products are wonderful, and help millions of families. The industry itself, however, is as phony as the last Afghan election.
To keep defending it is pure self-interest.
Atlantainsguy
The government already runs two of the largest public options in the world - Medicare and Medicaid. Their lack of cost control, fraud and abuse, and denial of care are stratospheric and, worse yet, there are no insurance carriers to blame it on.
Yet we are promised all these reforms and cost savings measures in the medicare and medicaid of the future. What exactly is the government waiting for to get going with those measures? We act as though there is no experience with public options so we can only rely upon theory. Instead we are saying that medicare and medicaid are riddled with fraud and waste and going broke so "if the government can run health care better why dont we let them." How about turning the question around asking why we would want them to take over the private sector plans or drive them out of business with a subsidized public option when they have frigged up the programs they have already?
Yes, I understand the argument that no senior would want to see the government abandon medicare, and neither would I. But that is because in order to get the good stuff you have to have the backing of the government to have bottomless pockets to keep paying for it and subsidizing it no matter what the true cost. That is some model to bring to the rest of industry and we are well on our way.
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The road to the insurance industry is paved with broken promises, fine print, and bones of their agents.
Ins.dave and the rest of you folks have been in this business long enough to know how the industry generally operates. With a few exceptions, the blue Correction Dept. bus should empty-out and load-up every "corner office" occupant.
I was a company marketing officer for many years. I know first-hand what a bunch of theives and bandits most of these companies are.
Many of the products are wonderful, and help millions of families. The industry itself, however, is as phony as the last Afghan election.
To keep defending it is pure self-interest.
Atlantainsguy
That’s right some of us have.
Look. I don’t know why you and Aloser3times have got a h*rd on for successful agents.
Every industry has its share of shysters does it not?
Believe me, when done correctly, ours is a valued profession.
Many of our clients have been with us and referring us to others for over 10 years O.K., so why don’t you take your “opinions” and file them accordingly?
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Originally Posted by Winter
We act as though there is no experience with public options so we can only rely upon theory. Instead we are saying that medicare and medicaid are riddled with fraud and waste and going broke so "if the government can run health care better why dont we let them." How about turning the question around asking why we would want them to take over the private sector plans or drive them out of business with a subsidized public option when they have frigged up the programs they have already?
Its amazing how selfish people can be about money. This is about people who can't afford insurance and are dying becuase of that.
Just shameful.
So I assume you live in a cardboard shack down by the railroad? You are sending everything you make to ACORN, right?
This isn't about just the money. Its about further government control of our lives. It is about the government further botching a flawed system. It is about politicians lying about their true intentions, and covering up the true cost of their proposals. Mark my words, if this passes, in 5 years we will be complaining about how bad the system is. Odds are, it won't even take that long for the flaws in the currently proposed reform to show up.
Its amazing how selfish people can be about money. This is about people who can't afford insurance and are dying becuase of that.
Just shameful.
I guess all the 20 and 30 something people making $50K plus are also without insurance because they can't afford it.
Yes insurance is expensive. Much of the expense are government madates. How about hospitals that have to treat people for free? Don't you think that this raises the cost of insurance to cover the non-reimbursed expenses?
I have a GREAT idea. Let's have everyone in the Medicare system. That way we can have an insurance "company" that spends $2 for every $1 it takes in. We can finance that by printing more money. Inflation will help us all because our 5% mortgages will look wonderful in a 15% world.
The dems want a plan that will limit the out of pocket expenses. Name me one national plan that doesn't have this limit. Time's up... it's Medicare.
We need reform but the government isn't the answer. The government is ALWAYS the problem.
What happened to America? Please answer this comrad.
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