Regardless of how the White House feels about Fox they are indeed a new channel and their attempt to block them from the press pool is SCARY when you know it's about their attempt to control a dissenting opinion.
Where does this lead? ONLY holding interviews with networks who will agree with the White House policy.
Obama, for me, cannot get out of office fast enough. The Constitution is a real convenience for a man who literally wants to government to control every aspect of our lives and every aspect of corporate America. I hope we can survive 3 more years of this.
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The scary part is that Obama is SUCCEEDING. Like him or not, the man is DOING IT. I don't like his politics, but "he won!"
Yeah. That's the part you ignorant neos don't get. "We" won. "You" lost. So that means we get to do what WE want to do. And we don't have to consult you, any more than you consulted "us" when your "god" G.W. Bush was in power.
And as for Fox Noise, where is it written that those IN POWER don't have the right to strike back at the crap that goes over their air?
You neos like to hit, but you don't seem to be able to TAKE a hit.
Yeah. That's the part you ignorant neos don't get. "We" won. "You" lost. So that means we get to do what WE want to do. And we don't have to consult you, any more than you consulted "us" when your "god" G.W. Bush was in power.
You neos like to hit, but you don't seem to be able to TAKE a hit.
How's Gitmo going? Last time I checked, they're still open for business with some token restrictions and no real end in sight.
Are we still in Iraq even though it's now illegal under Iraqi law?
How's public healthcare going? Any closer to solving that problem? Oh that's right, more crazy ideas that not even the dems can't agree on.
The economy really is beat up, mission accomplished on that one? Because of unemployment (one could easily argue over 10%), even fewer people have health insurance now then when Obama took office, and in addition to trying to reform healthcare we're still funding the "war on terror". What exactly is it that you're getting out of this deal?
Part of the beauty of the way this wonderful country was founded was that it has three separate branches of government that provide certain checks and balances which help keep things in some degree of order. The White House and Congress aren't really getting along now. You do realize that two healthcare bills got shot down while "right wing whack jobs" got funding for abstinence only sex education. This is with a democrat in the White House and the democrats having a SUPERMAJORITY in congress. The Democratic party has been given the keys to the candy store, but aren't getting much of anything done.
"You" didn't win, this whole country is losing. I don't know if anyone told you, but there is an election next year and it's entirely possible that the dems will lose the supermajority. If "your" party can't get much done with complete control of the executive branch of government and what should be overwhelming control of the legislative branch of government, what makes you think Obama won't be a complete lame duck after this next round of elections?
Again, everyone lost in this election. I'll be the first (or maybe the second) to admit that even though I don't like Obama, after he was elected and at his inauguration I thought "maybe, just maybe, he'll come through with some of what he claims he will" and even with that low level of expectation I'm terribly disappointed.
Food for thought: Many of us don't like the idea of having a government that's patterned after a two party system, but good news, we have a quasi-third. Let's just call them "left", "right", and "middle". I think the problem is that many of the dems are actually moderates who I would argue are the third part, or for conversation "middles". I bet that if you were to poll congressmen and congresswomen about the issues you'd actually find that some financial conservatives would like to support same-sex marriage and that some elected officials who like the environment and would support comprehensive sex education but think that the government should try to find ways to eliminate taxes and reduce welfare programs rather than expand them. This isn't Alabama in 1960's, people aren't choosing their political beliefs based on what there dad believed who believed what his dad believed who believed what his dad believed. To some degree I think it's a shame that people don't even know the differences between the parties but at another level it's awesome. Why shouldn't people vote based on the issues rather than the party rhetoric? It's ignorant and foolish to think that there are only two sides on political issues.
Al, the biggest and single most convincing reason I believe that you are a fool has nothing to do with what your views and opinions are, but the fact that you think that it's 1 vs 2, red vs blue, dem vs rep, and it's just not that way. There is, always has been, and always will be at least three sides to an argument. Both extremes and the exact middle. You're willfully ignorant to the fact that there are many sides of this argument and you're discounting anyone's opinion if they don't share yours. Isn't that the definition of being closed-minded?
You're willfully ignorant to the fact that there are many sides of this argument and you're discounting anyone's opinion if they don't share yours. Isn't that the definition of being closed-minded?
Elections matter. The votes were counted. Your side lost. My side won. We will govern with or without you.
Without you is better.
Even if it is only one term, it is better than whatever you and your Barry Goldwater conservatives would do. If nothing else it's at least four years before you born-again, right wing, conservative, racist, gun-nuts build Camp Huckawitz (probably in Kentucky) and ship all of us liberals and moderates (especially blacks, Hispanics, and gays) off to it in box cars for a shower of Zyklon B!
You neo-cons are really good at dishing it out, but you don't like it when you get it dished back to you. I hope PRESIDENT Obama (you just hate that don't you!) continues to kick your Limbaugh-Beck, Fox Noise ass for the next three years.
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Al, the biggest and single most convincing reason I believe that you are a fool has nothing to do with what your views and opinions are, but the fact that you think that it's 1 vs 2, red vs blue, dem vs rep, and it's just not that way. There is, always has been, and always will be at least three sides to an argument. Both extremes and the exact middle. You're willfully ignorant to the fact that there are many sides of this argument and you're discounting anyone's opinion if they don't share yours. Isn't that the definition of being closed-minded?[/quote]
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A long time back I predicted that Al would be a libertarian before it is all over and just like clockwork he described himself a couple days ago as "an independent, almost libertarian" even though his latest posts take him back into bashing libertarians. For some this seems hard to explain but it actually pretty straight forward. A gadfly just likes to sting and throw rocks but will never stand up for anything. As Obama moves into a period when he is actually responsible for something the gadflies will move out to a position where they can still throw rocks and not be accountable for anything.
As we go into the period where being an Obama supporter necessarily involves more defense of what Obama has actually done and not done and less of the blaming George Bush, you will see many of the far left libs either gravitate to the libertarians or to a true Socialist Democratic Party which allows them to stay vocal without every having to be responsible for Obama. You can set your clock by it. Many just disappear from the forum when the bush days are over and that is also a predictable dynamic. Some how they forget the years of Repub bashing at every breath and suddenly become sensitive.
Also a lot of libs particularly in California have witnessed the collapse of state government and lib programs are certainly not going to grow in the future with state and local dollars anyway. Rather than deal with their inner panic about finding themselves becoming conservative they prefer to become libertarians because it lets them feel like they are still on the cutting edge. Whatever.
I am telling ya. When the blame-Bush phase wears out by the first of January or so, the gadflies will find a new gig. That is not only amusing but something for President Obama to worry about. "Almost libertarian" Gotta love it.
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But he did win the election and he seems quite determined to run on what was his "hidden agenda" prior to being elected. Well, that matters too.
He will be judged by the American voter at the upcoming 2010 election, and if Americans react as I have little doubt they will, then they will take from President Obama the Democratically controlled congress which is currently empowering his communistic agenda.
While a Republican congress may not roll back much of the damage already done, it will certainly put the brakes on this runaway train speeding toward a cliff.
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Originally Posted by al3
And as for Fox Noise, where is it written that those IN POWER don't have the right to strike back at the crap that goes over their air?
There is a difference between expressing a counter opinion, and taking actions that infringe on the function of the media. It was written here:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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Well, the whole issue blew back in their face. Why? Because by telling the networks + PBS that they were ok but Fox wasn't they insinuated they were in the bag - that the rest of the press was being "good little boys and girls" and obeying the White House.
That's why the networks said that without Fox included they would not participate. How bad of a move was this? Very bad. What you'll see now is the "good little boys and girls" forced to print anti-Obama stories just to proof they're not in the tank.
Who's ever in charge of press strategy needs to find a new job. I would imagine you wouldn't want to poke the cage of the highest rated news network. Like it or not Fox is king of the ratings. Logic follows that if you hate the message don't watch. I can only assume people watch because they agree with the message.
MSNBC does have an opposing liberal view. I think one guy on my street and another 3 in South Dakota watches them.
you wouldn't want to poke the cage of the highest rated news network. Like it or not Fox is king of the ratings. Logic follows that if you hate the message don't watch.
I don't think the administration has anything to lose by portraying Fox Noise as "talk radio" and not news. They are playing to their base the same way the arch-conservatives raise the "he's a communist" flag each day.
It's all good politics... just as Spiro Agnew called the "liberal Eastern media" the "nattering nabobs of negativism." The base ate it up.
What it comes down to is that those idiots who watch and believe what they hear on Fox Noise simply don't like it when the racist, anti-Semitic, and distorted crap that comes over their air comes back at them from the mightiest bully pulpit in the world.
You neo-con crackers don't like it when a black guy fights back... do you... because they didn't do that in the Alabama of 1958 that you and all the Barry Goldwaters like you out there want to bring us back to.
You talk about poking the nose of a tiger? If Fox wants to go toe to toe with THIS sitting president, I say, in the immortal of the "god" of all you neo-cons, "Bring it on!"
I'm all for it. It's about time... and I love to hear you squirm and squeal about it... because it is the sound of VICTORY!
Who's ever in charge of press strategy needs to find a new job. .
Unfortunately the press secretary works for a President who does not want Fox News poking into his life, inclinations, affiliations, politics, or policies. So the person in charge who needs to find a new job would be President Obama.
Fox can take care of itself and will get more mileage out of this than they could ever hope for.
I am however more concerned about the Adminsitration's gag order on Humana. Much as with Fox News, many/most people find Humana repugnant so find it convenient to just look the other way and let them work it out. Big mistake regardless of whether you are a lib, a conservative or a libertarian. If you are a left wing group looking for a fed grant, or energy company opposed to Cap and Crap, or financial institution either on the public tit or trying to avoid their intervention then you damn well better be careful what you put in your newsletter or you are going to be gagged or punished. Big, big mistake for people to not be totally outraged over this. A few side stories in the media do not count. Big mistake. These socialists governments will just continue to encroach until you stop them or not.
We know that the libs will counter by citing something that Repubs have done because that is what they do. So let's agree in advance that Richard Nixon did plenty of this type of thing and in fact the Nixon analogy seems to be cropping up more and more even among mainstream pundits trying to analyze this scenario. So if it is workng for President Obama to continue to raise concerns that he could be Nixonesque toward the press and toward Afghanistan then just keep on keeping on.
We might note as an aside that George Bush never blackballed CBS even though Dan Rather and company were actively participating in a fabricated story about Bush's military service. A fabrication that cost rather his job. And of course, the Fox reports about acorn, van jones, Rev wright and Bill Ayers all turned out to be true so that doesnt help.
The little worms at MSNBC are afraid that even though they have provided favors for the government the way worms do, that the government could turn on them as needed so they want to hide behind Fox's clout. Too late for that now. Fox is big enough now to take down both the White House and MSNBC too and does not need anyone's help. The worms at MSNBC may even think they are helping Fox now so Fox will let up a little on them. Not going to happen. You sided with the socialists. Go be with the girly-men. You want to be a journalist or you want to get a warm, tingley feeling up your leg? You made your choice.
Elections matter. The votes were counted. Your side lost. My side won. We will govern with or without you.
Without you is better.
Al
You're a nimrod. It's not a me vs you game here. To be honest, I probably agree with more democrats at this point then I do with republicans. Even the governor of New York has become enough of a financial conservative for me to strongly consider voting for him. If you must stick with this "you vs me" thing then you lost. Enough of the people on "your" side of the fence agree with me about healthcare reform that "your" bill didn't get passed and it doesn't look like any version of it will. The reality is that there are enough moderates in congress to keep any extreme liberal agenda from getting passed and that's a beautiful thing. Congratulations on "winning".
Unfortunately the press secretary works for a President who does not want Fox News poking into his life, inclinations, affiliations, politics, or policies. So the person in charge who needs to find a new job would be President Obama.
Fox can take care of itself and will get more mileage out of this than they could ever hope for.
I am however more concerned about the Adminsitration's gag order on Humana. Much as with Fox News, many/most people find Humana repugnant so find it convenient to just look the other way and let them work it out. Big mistake regardless of whether you are a lib, a conservative or a libertarian. If you are a left wing group looking for a fed grant, or energy company opposed to Cap and Crap, or financial institution either on the public tit or trying to avoid their intervention then you damn well better be careful what you put in your newsletter or you are going to be gagged or punished. Big, big mistake for people to not be totally outraged over this. A few side stories in the media do not count. Big mistake. These socialists governments will just continue to encroach until you stop them or not.
We know that the libs will counter by citing something that Repubs have done because that is what they do. So let's agree in advance that Richard Nixon did plenty of this type of thing and in fact the Nixon analogy seems to be cropping up more and more even among mainstream pundits trying to analyze this scenario. So if it is workng for President Obama to continue to raise concerns that he could be Nixonesque toward the press and toward Afghanistan then just keep on keeping on.
We might note as an aside that George Bush never blackballed CBS even though Dan Rather and company were actively participating in a fabricated story about Bush's military service. A fabrication that cost rather his job. And of course, the Fox reports about acorn, van jones, Rev wright and Bill Ayers all turned out to be true so that doesnt help.
The little worms at MSNBC are afraid that even though they have provided favors for the government the way worms do, that the government could turn on them as needed so they want to hide behind Fox's clout. Too late for that now. Fox is big enough now to take down both the White House and MSNBC too and does not need anyone's help. The worms at MSNBC may even think they are helping Fox now so Fox will let up a little on them. Not going to happen. You sided with the socialists. Go be with the girly-men. You want to be a journalist or you want to get a warm, tingley feeling up your leg? You made your choice.
The Acorn story especially was extremely humiliating to Obama who really stood behind them and came up with egg on his face.
Of course, that story was flat out ignored by the mainstream media and partially due to Fox that illegal and criminal organization lost its federal funding. If any right-wing organization was busted giving "pimps and prostitutes" advice on how to traffic underage girls it would have been 36 point bold across every newspaper every day. The press would have gone completely ape ****. Just goes to show the insane liberal bias of the media. Also goes to show how you'll miss 3/4th of the news if all you watch is media with a liberal bias.
I have to watch Fox. You can go ahead and dismiss the other networks and just read the White House press releases - same thing. Of course, I have to also read blogs like Huffington since I want some balance and read stories Fox won't report.
Huffington, by the way, is hilarious:
Monday's headline "SOMEONE'S A CROOK"
Tuesday's headline "SOME ELSE IS A CROOK"
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Thursday's headline "EVERYONE'S A CROOK"
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What it comes down to is that those idiots who watch and believe what they hear on Fox Noise simply don't like it when the racist, anti-Semitic, and distorted crap that comes over their air comes back at them from the mightiest bully pulpit in the world.
In this paragraph you are saying that Fox News is "publishing racist, anti-Semitic, and distorted crap". These are your words and your charge. Please point us to evidence that you rely upon to support your allegations.
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