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Last edited by jody108 : 11-25-2009 at 09:52 PM.
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Anything you do, dont use TSL telemarketed leads or blackbox technologies (owned by mark) which is featured on affordablemedicareleads.com (and affordablefinalexpenseleads.com), i know of several agents that were Efed over by these companies, and if you dont want to lose money or your time, i suggest you stay away from them...
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Anything you do, dont use TSL telemarketed leads or blackbox technologies (owned by mark) which is featured on affordablemedicareleads.com (and affordablefinalexpenseleads.com), i know of several agents that were Efed over by these companies, and if you dont want to lose money or your time, i suggest you stay away from them...
Thanks for pointing out the distinction between my sites and Blackbox!
To answer Johndale's question, there are no clear winners as far as companies that can produce quality telemarketed leads. The most successful setups I've seen are where agents hire and train their own telemarketers. Because of poor results from BBT I hired some of my own telemarketers and had reasonably good success with it, but it's difficult to reproduce that success in other areas and/or with other products without a long and expensive learning curve.
My guess is AA Datalink is a spammer that either voluntarily deleted their posts or had them deleted by the forum police. If you really want to know who they are, page Dr. Google. Their info will pop up including a link back to this forum that is no longer valid.
Well Mark, whats the difference between BBT and your outfit? Still use BBT? I lost over half a thousand dollars on that outfit, cause of your pimping...
Well Mark, whats the difference between BBT and your outfit? Still use BBT? I lost over half a thousand dollars on that outfit, cause of your pimping...
I've given some thought to trying out the services offered by medicareplansolutions & I cant help but wonder what issues you had with them? Please share.
Well Mark, whats the difference between BBT and your outfit? Still use BBT? I lost over half a thousand dollars on that outfit, cause of your pimping...
First things first, my name isn't Mark. Mark is a friend of mine who has a telemarketing company that did a good job generating Medicare leads for a bunch of agents and agencies that I've worked with so I had some sites made for him thinking it'd be good to make a couple of bucks off of helping agents get connected with a legitimate lead vendor. After a while the lead quality went from good to bad and then bad to worse so I hired my own callers to generate leads for my agents and learned a ton about telemarketed lead generation.
Some folks do well with Mark, others not so much, so at this point I'm mostly just driving traffic to the site to get money off the adwords and taking a campaign here and there if it looks like it's a good product and in the right area. The other thing that I'm doing differently when I do that is I'm charging $400/week with no guarantee of results rather than charging per lead because it's tough to gauge what type of a legitimate response rate telemarketers will get with different products in different areas. For example, in Missouri I have an agent who's doing very well running preset appointments on FE but that same campaign is a disaster in CT and in certain parts of Florida. What I'll never understand is why some agents, even working the same territory off of leads generated by the same telemarketers, make money and order more leads and other agents claim the leads are garbage. I'll give you a perfect example, I had an agent order leads that my in-house telemarketers generated pay ~$600 for leads and came back looking for more leads because he made money while a different agent, less than two months later using the SAME telemarketers and the SAME script in the SAME area (different phone numbers) demand a refund and think the whole thing was a scam and claimed that none of the leads she received were any good.
I had another situation with health leads. I had a lady working leads that were generated and for four weeks all I heard was "these are the greatest leads in the world", "I think we're really on to something here", "I'm going to have other agents call you", etc. She did tell other agents to call me who did put in orders and we filled them and then 2 months into it I hear a song and a dance about how they are terrible leads and she didn't write a piece of business on any of them. Is it the leads? Is it the agent? Is it a combination? I don't know. What I do know is that it costs money to generate legitimate leads and the only way I sign off on deals anymore is if the agent understands that they're just outsourcing the calls and I don't guarantee anything more than we'll make the calls, follow the script, and do as good a job as can be done. All of my telemarketers are paid hourly plus bonuses for doing a good job (read as getting sales, not leads) so they don't have an incentive to push garbage through.
Considering that there are fixed costs with lead generation (long distance, dialer hosting, data, etc) why should lead vendors even entertain the idea of selling on a per lead basis when there is no way they can know what the cost of a legitimate lead is. In some areas it can take a good telemarketer literally all day to get one good lead, even at $4/hr that's $32 in payroll alone, not to mention the LD (no, there is no such thing as unlimited LD for call centers using a predictive dialer), data costs, etc. So what do the per-lead vendors do when the response rate is in the toilet? My suspicion is that they don't give you the feedback that the campaign isn't viable and instead just send you over bogus leads and keep the cash, but that's just an educated guess.
Yes, it means, dont pay more than 100 upfront for any lead vendor. My question for mr. adwords, what telemarketers do you use? indian? phillipines?
It was crappy service, lies, people getting fired. Leads had no idea why i was there, never showed up to the appts. I lost too much money on them, and TSL to ever spend money on telemarketed leads. I know I am not the only one.
My question mr. adwords, so you knew the quality was bad but you kept pimping them for adword money? Doesn't sound good to me.
My question mr. adwords, so you knew the quality was bad but you kept pimping them for adword money? Doesn't sound good to me.
You clearly don't understand how the adwords work. What happens is if you visit one of my sites (affordablemedicareleads.com, affordablefinalexpenseleads.com, cheapmedicareleads.com) and click on the adds on the right or left then for each click I get a buck or two. Half the ads there aren't for telemarketed leads, just other sites that folks looking at leads google thinks would be interested in, which has nothing to do with pimping telemarketers.
I personally use callers from the Philippines for my telemarketing, but like I said, I don't usually take on campaigns I'm not interested in. I don't know how TSL runs their shop because I've never worked with them, but Mark's leads run hot and cold and I think that most agents are big boys and can make their own decisions. Although you lost money with Mark, some people actually do make money with him, he's not a complete hoax the way you seem to feel he is.
BTW-"don't pay more than 100 for any lead vendor" should probably be changed to "don't use telemarketers" if that's your opinion. Anyone that would agree to start dialing for less than $100 is a complete amateur that will not generate remotely good results.
Wow, are you trying to alienate people? Most of the gurus around here have that same advice of not paying more than 100 bucks at first. Also, Mark was a complete tool. He would lie, and then tell you another thing. His service was horrible, and Will quit over him and the lies he was telling others. He wouldnt stay CSRep because he couldnt stand sticking up for him (like you seem to be doing), when all the agents were complaining about the leads and being ripped off.
I for one dont recommend him, nor your services.
Wasnt spamming, we are just a lead company US based, have been in the Health Insurance Biz for 12+ years, and yes we sell insurance also. Trying to drum up some business, didnt mean to open a can of worms about telemarketing leads... we have done it all worked internet leads for a company that wanted voice verification, seems that internet leads are generated by people being asked to do a survey of somesort an then trapped in the site until they give their info and a chance to win a XBOX , PS3 etc, TM leads have the best contact ratio and if it is a proper lead they know you are calling for an appt if your product can help them
Wow, are you trying to alienate people? Most of the gurus around here have that same advice of not paying more than 100 bucks at first. Also, Mark was a complete tool. He would lie, and then tell you another thing. His service was horrible, and Will quit over him and the lies he was telling others. He wouldnt stay CSRep because he couldnt stand sticking up for him (like you seem to be doing), when all the agents were complaining about the leads and being ripped off.
I for one dont recommend him, nor your services.
I'm not looking to alienate anyone, but business is business. Guru or otherwise a legitimate company wouldn't start dialing for $100. Like I said about Mark, some people have done well with him and others have lost money, it's not for everyone or for every product. I'm not recommending him OR looking for business from anyone, it's not worth the headache. I use my telemarketers for my agents and once in a while if I run across something that looks like it enough potential I'll agree to offer my services to other agents, but usually it doesn't make sense.
Telemarketed leads are just like any other type of lead, they work well for some agents in right areas with the right products, but in some areas it's just terrible. The reason why I'm selective about who I'll work with on telemarketing is because there is no way to know for sure what the actual cost per lead is going to be. Most agents (and agencies) don't understand that it takes time and money to get a feel for what the response rates are going to be and to get the right type of telemarketer matched up with each campaign. In all fairness, most telemarketing companies and lead rooms don't understand that either. The bottom line is that if you don't work with a company that understands what you need done and you aren't prepared to pay a telemarketing company to do the job right, it's unlikely you'll be happy with the results.
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Originally Posted by CHUMPS FROM OXFORD
"I personally use callers from the Philippines for my telemarketing"
No thank you.
I'm pretty sure that was taken out of context. It should be read "The telemarketers I use are in the Philippines" as opposed to "I personally use callers from the Philippines and you should too!" I in no way, shape or form think that the system that I use is for everyone.
Last edited by MedicarePlanSolutions : 12-02-2009 at 12:28 AM.
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