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Old 08-13-2009, 03:17 PM   #1
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Hi guys and Gals,

I have a Quick Question, I use a power dialer to make calls for my insurance business and I am having trouble finding a good telemarketing list, can anyone out there recommend any company that they have used and have had much success with?
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Old 08-13-2009, 04:10 PM   #2
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Please define what is a "good telemarketing list". I have been using them for years but I still don't know what constitutes a "good" one.

In my experience most lists where the company updates their data on a regular basis are pretty much created equal. However, not all people who use them are equal in their experience or expertise.

The problem may be with your phone presentation and or that you are using a "power dialer".
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Old 08-13-2009, 04:35 PM   #3
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Originally Posted by Frank Stastny View Post
Please define what is a "good telemarketing list". I have been using them for years but I still don't know what constitutes a "good" one.

In my experience most lists where the company updates their data on a regular basis are pretty much created equal. However, not all people who use them are equal in their experience or expertise.

The problem may be with your phone presentation and or that you are using a "power dialer".
A good list would be a company who's data is about 85% good, as far as the info is concern. My power dialer is great no droped calls reach more people then hand dialing numbers. Do you have something aginst power dialers?

The are diffrent types of dialers...mine is a little diffrent.

My script works I just need to get more good records to call thats all, thought I would ask some folks who they are using. Been in the business since 05" Before that I ran call centers in Los Angeles so telemarketing is what I do for a living.
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Old 08-14-2009, 08:04 AM   #4
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Originally Posted by mcmillian-1 View Post
A good list would be a company who's data is about 85% good, as far as the info is concern. My power dialer is great no droped calls reach more people then hand dialing numbers. Do you have something aginst power dialers?

The are diffrent types of dialers...mine is a little diffrent.

My script works I just need to get more good records to call thats all, thought I would ask some folks who they are using. Been in the business since 05" Before that I ran call centers in Los Angeles so telemarketing is what I do for a living.
I have tried several companies and Lead Concepts seems to update their data more frequently than others I have used.

No, I don't have anything against dialers as long as they are used properly by an experienced, knowledgeable agent. They can be a death warrant for an agent inexperienced in telemarketing. Obviously you are not.

Unless an agent has a comfortable, smooth telephone presentation the agent is going to make mistakes. Making calls one right after the other without taking time between calls to reflect upon what happened during that call is not going to correct those mistakes. On the contrary, it is only going to amplify them.

The agent is going to get frustrated because he/she is not having any success and that is going to come across loud and clear to the prospect. I suggest to agents who are new to telemarketing that they stick their finger in the hole and turn the wheel. Take a few minutes after the call to determine what they did right and where they made mistakes before making the next call.

It will dramatically shorten the telemarketing learning curve. It isn't always about the number of calls. If the quality of the call isn't there the number of calls per hour doesn't mean a thing.
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Sales genie is who I use.
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You will get the best price/quality with Salesgenie
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Are you calling residential or business?

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Originally Posted by mcmillian-1 View Post
Hi guys and Gals,

I have a Quick Question, I use a power dialer to make calls for my insurance business and I am having trouble finding a good telemarketing list, can anyone out there recommend any company that they have used and have had much success with?
I have used 4-5 different companies and the only one that I wouldn't recommend is InfoUSA. I finally just quit using their list because of the bad numbers and they told me to keep calling and they would refund the money for the bad numbers when I purchased the next list.

If you are a MOO agent, they have a deal with USAdata for names as low as 3.5 cents each. NOW THATS A DEAL!!!

Don't let any of them charge you 6 cents per name, and most will try, but you can negotiate.

Which dialer are you using? I use Mojo because it will not move to the next number until you have had time to make notes about you previous call and you can record each call so you can review if necessary. It will also dial 3 numbers at a time. There has been many times where I have gone back weeks later to review a conversation because of forgetfullness or to get information.
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Old 08-15-2009, 03:35 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by VaDwayne View Post
I have used 4-5 different companies and the only one that I wouldn't recommend is InfoUSA. I finally just quit using their list because of the bad numbers and they told me to keep calling and they would refund the money for the bad numbers when I purchased the next list.

If you are a MOO agent, they have a deal with USAdata for names as low as 3.5 cents each. NOW THATS A DEAL!!!

Don't let any of them charge you 6 cents per name, and most will try, but you can negotiate.

Which dialer are you using? I use Mojo because it will not move to the next number until you have had time to make notes about you previous call and you can record each call so you can review if necessary. It will also dial 3 numbers at a time. There has been many times where I have gone back weeks later to review a conversation because of forgetfullness or to get information.
Thanks for your help and I will look into the company. I use the cheetah it lets me make notes and things like that. I try to make 200 to 350 per day so I know I will need some good leads I try and make as many appointments as I can..I do this full time it gives me time to make notes as well and I can set a time when I want it to move to the next call. I bought mine when It will do three things power dialer,auto dialer and voice mail mail attendant.What is MOO I'm sorry I don't know what that is?
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Originally Posted by 724care View Post
You will get the best price/quality with Salesgenie
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Are you calling residential or business?
Sorry for the delay in the response residential...with the way the world is today folks are trying to save money.

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Old 08-18-2009, 12:39 PM   #9
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For residential, your best bet would be still salesgenie if you do good amount of calling.
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Old 08-18-2009, 02:53 PM   #10
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Originally Posted by 724care View Post
For residential, your best bet would be still salesgenie if you do good amount of calling.
They are over priced, for the amount of money that you spend with them you can go to a re seller and get the same data at less cost. Today someone in the forum sent me a PM and gave me a great source for some data. Infousa, Salesgenie, are overpriced. If you want to get some good leads for the same $180 that you spend with them for like 1,000 data downloads I can send you 5,000 leads age phone number etc. Send me PM and we can talk.
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That's true.....salesgenie has that "unlimited platform for a flat fee" but keep in mind That master file your pulling from isn't updated nearly as often as a regular data broker and its NOT truly unlimited. If Sales genie is working for you great, but its always better to work with an owner of the consumer and business files. We work directly with the compilers and are licensed to sell the data directly to you (not the same as a reseller).

Pricing on existing consumer should run between 1.5 - 5 cents per name depending on quantity and order frequency. New mover or new home owner will be a little more.....same as existing business....between 2-8 cents each depending on the order. The NCD is updated every 3 months for existing and sales genie updates their master file once every 6 months, another big difference.

Work with a marketing professional that understands what you need to be going after and let that person help you.....that is much better than an "unlimited" flat fee data contract in which you have to figure it out.

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Originally Posted by Ramond B View Post
That's true.....salesgenie has that "unlimited platform for a flat fee" but keep in mind That master file your pulling from isn't updated nearly as often as a regular data broker and its NOT truly unlimited. If Sales genie is working for you great, but its always better to work with an owner of the consumer and business files. We work directly with the compilers and are licensed to sell the data directly to you (not the same as a reseller).

Pricing on existing consumer should run between 1.5 - 5 cents per name depending on quantity and order frequency. New mover or new home owner will be a little more.....same as existing business....between 2-8 cents each depending on the order. The NCD is updated every 3 months for existing and sales genie updates their master file once every 6 months, another big difference.

Work with a marketing professional that understands what you need to be going after and let that person help you.....that is much better than an "unlimited" flat fee data contract in which you have to figure it out.

Just my two cents!
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Originally Posted by mcmillian-1 View Post
Hi guys and Gals,

I have a Quick Question, I use a power dialer to make calls for my insurance business and I am having trouble finding a good telemarketing list, can anyone out there recommend any company that they have used and have had much success with?
the lists, dialer, leads etc are all good to a point.....BUT HANDS DOWN
Nothing beats introducing yourself to 50 small B2B owners each week, giving a sharp 15 second intro, your service matched to their needs.

Absolutely nothing puts you in front of more people with money. we also use the above marketing tools as the others, the difference is we use many different, simultaneously at a little to know overall cost.
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Originally Posted by DavidD1 View Post
the lists, dialer, leads etc are all good to a point.....BUT HANDS DOWN
Nothing beats introducing yourself to 50 small B2B owners each week, giving a sharp 15 second intro, your service matched to their needs.

Absolutely nothing puts you in front of more people with money. we also use the above marketing tools as the others, the difference is we use many different, simultaneously at a little to know overall cost.
I also use face to face time as well, I worked with one of the best in the industry with that. I worked with him everyday for six month's and I have to say it works..We get 5 leads per day 25 names a week to write business..in the coming weeks I will put the scripts that we use right on this forum for free and folks can't tell me it does not work! I try and have 100 contacts per month from face to face meetings. Now I do major life insureance business. Some Auto I have to say I love this business
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Originally Posted by mcmillian-1 View Post
I also use face to face time as well, I worked with one of the best in the industry with that. I worked with him everyday for six month's and I have to say it works..We get 5 leads per day 25 names a week to write business..in the coming weeks I will put the scripts that we use right on this forum for free and folks can't tell me it does not work! I try and have 100 contacts per month from face to face meetings. Now I do major life insureance business. Some Auto I have to say I love this business
Why not just post the script now instead of waiting for a few weeks?
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Why not just post the script now instead of waiting for a few weeks?

I will try and post it before thursday of this week just for you..how about that, I am busy now, I am making calls and posting on this forum at the same time, I want to type it out for you guys I will look into my word file and see if I have a copy in there it works for Life insurance meeting people face to face.
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I agree $35 per 1000 is what people should look to pay. We have the same deal for agents as well not though Moo though.

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Originally Posted by VaDwayne View Post
I have used 4-5 different companies and the only one that I wouldn't recommend is InfoUSA. I finally just quit using their list because of the bad numbers and they told me to keep calling and they would refund the money for the bad numbers when I purchased the next list.

If you are a MOO agent, they have a deal with USAdata for names as low as 3.5 cents each. NOW THATS A DEAL!!!

Don't let any of them charge you 6 cents per name, and most will try, but you can negotiate.

Which dialer are you using? I use Mojo because it will not move to the next number until you have had time to make notes about you previous call and you can record each call so you can review if necessary. It will also dial 3 numbers at a time. There has been many times where I have gone back weeks later to review a conversation because of forgetfullness or to get information.

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Originally Posted by Jim View Post
I agree $35 per 1000 is what people should look to pay. We have the same deal for agents as well not though Moo though.

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Thanks for that, I sure people would like to know were you get your leads from so please share with the group at $35 per 1k that is a great deal. Do they make you buy 10K at a time to get the deal? Or can you just get 1k to try them out?
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Originally Posted by Ramond B View Post
That's true.....salesgenie has that "unlimited platform for a flat fee" but keep in mind That master file your pulling from isn't updated nearly as often as a regular data broker and its NOT truly unlimited. If Sales genie is working for you great, but its always better to work with an owner of the consumer and business files. We work directly with the compilers and are licensed to sell the data directly to you (not the same as a reseller).

Pricing on existing consumer should run between 1.5 - 5 cents per name depending on quantity and order frequency. New mover or new home owner will be a little more.....same as existing business....between 2-8 cents each depending on the order. The NCD is updated every 3 months for existing and sales genie updates their master file once every 6 months, another big difference.

Work with a marketing professional that understands what you need to be going after and let that person help you.....that is much better than an "unlimited" flat fee data contract in which you have to figure it out.

Just my two cents!
can't you get some of this current info from public records at your local courthouse at no cost??????
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What are selectors like on the 1.5-5 cents data. Would you be able to get residence type and sq.footage?

Salesgenie is good if you are doing fair amount of calling, if you focused on the limited area you may be better off buying with list brokers as there is a limited number of leads in any area and 80% of people are on DNC list.

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