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Old 03-24-2008, 07:58 PM   #21
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True...but that is not what he said...
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Old 03-24-2008, 08:58 PM   #22
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That's only one likeness.

I see more differences than likenesses. For one, Bush is conservative. McCain is not.

I see more likenesses between McCain and Billary than I do Bush and McCain.

In other words we're screwed.
Bush is conservative?

Mr. Cut Taxes then Spend on steroids, Bush? Please explain this to me.

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All I can say after observing everything is - make as much money as you can and have the time of your life - while you can. Mankind is doing an excellent job of self-destruction.
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:20 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by midwestbroker View Post
True...but that is not what he said...

Maybe we should have a debate between his grandmother and McCain's mother...that would be good stuff.
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Old 03-25-2008, 10:26 AM   #25
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His Grandmother is of another generation. The feelings on race were different then, but because of her feeling, she deserves credit for taking him into her home and raising him. That was not that common in those days.
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And that reverend that Obama went to as a child, or still does, I don't know the details, but that Reverend is about as racist as a KKK member.

Did you hear the sound bite of the reverend saying something to the effect of : " Those Italians need to get their noses out of their garlic and start looking up at what is happening"

What an idiot. I'm not saying this should hurt Obama's credibility, but that Reverend is racist whether he's an African American or not.
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Obama is a cynical politician who joined that church because he knew it gave an outsider the political stroke to win a local election at the time.

In addition, my feeling is that Obama shares many of the views expressed --and not on any rare occasion or that he happened to miss the "controversial" stuff.

And further, I tend to believe that spouses think alike far more often than not. Obama's wife seems to be a bitter woman who said she was never proud of the U.S. until "now".

Most Americans do not realize at this point how far out of the mainstream Obama is. He is totally unelectable which will become apparent if he reaches the general election --unless McCain shoots himself in the foot.

As for Obama's grandmother --any woman who doesn't feel a bit jittery in virtually any city in America when young black men approach her on the street would have to be a total idiot. It isn't just a race thing, it is a common sense thing. Call me a typical white male, Obama, but on a recent trip to D.C. there were parts of town where I could not walk at all. I can't tell you how much I resented being told by the hotel staff and others (including the corner cop) "Don't go here or there or in that direction after dark, especially not with your family."

As for his "grandmother's day" --I would take those times over these times any day of the week. They were much safer.
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Old 03-29-2008, 01:15 PM   #28
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If Obama wants to have a race conversation, I would like him to describe the typical black person.

And the typical Mexican, Asian, Italian, etc...
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Old 03-29-2008, 01:24 PM   #29
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Obama is a cynical politician who joined that church because he knew it gave an outsider the political stroke to win a local election at the time.

Being cynical isn't so bad if you're right and powerful enough to effect change.

In addition, my feeling is that Obama shares many of the views expressed --and not on any rare occasion or that he happened to miss the "controversial" stuff.

Many liberal people agree with the views expressed, rarely do they have a platform to say what they think...it's not PC.

And further, I tend to believe that spouses think alike far more often than not. Obama's wife seems to be a bitter woman who said she was never proud of the U.S. until "now".

Totally agree on spouses thinking alike more often than not, especially on political issues. Bitter...no way. I'm 38 and have never been proud of America. I've been proud of some Americans, but collectively we've been asleep at the wheel while the religious right and corporations have hijacked our country.

Most Americans do not realize at this point how far out of the mainstream Obama is. He is totally unelectable which will become apparent if he reaches the general election --unless McCain shoots himself in the foot.

He is absolutely outside of the mainstream...he's closer to mainstreet. The only way he won't defeat McCain is if Team Billary forgets to tell her followers that it's ok to vote for him.

As for Obama's grandmother --any woman who doesn't feel a bit jittery in virtually any city in America when young black men approach her on the street would have to be a total idiot. It isn't just a race thing, it is a common sense thing. Call me a typical white male, Obama, but on a recent trip to D.C. there were parts of town where I could not walk at all. I can't tell you how much I resented being told by the hotel staff and others (including the corner cop) "Don't go here or there or in that direction after dark, especially not with your family."

As for his "grandmother's day" --I would take those times over these times any day of the week. They were much safer.
Wow...are you serious?

Ok...couldn't resist this post again. Yes I have a mancrush on Obama.
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The only way he won't defeat McCain is if Team Billary forgets to tell her followers that it's ok to vote for him.
Does Hillary tell them what kind of topping they like on their pizza's too? Why dont they try thinking for themselves.

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Does Hillary tell them what kind of topping they like on their pizza's too? Why dont they try thinking for themselves.

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Yes she does...a lot of them are eating from the kitchen sink. She would rather disband the party than throw in the towel gracefully.
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:05 PM   #32
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I think that the movie with Richard Pryor (Brewster's Millions), says it best:

Vote for: NONE OF THE ABOVE.

Obama hasn't said anything with substance.

Hillary has Bill helping her.

McCain has a temper that could push the "button" at any time.....

I have never voted party lines in my life. I listen to what is said and what it would mean for me.

So far, there hasn't been anything said for anyone, except the person running.

Saw a good sign the other day:

I ain't voting for Monica's ex-boyfriends wife....

People we are gonna be in deep ta-ta this time around......Hey what about Nader??
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:39 PM   #33
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Yes she does...a lot of them are eating from the kitchen sink. She would rather disband the party than throw in the towel gracefully.

Let up on Hillary. She is combat veteran of Bosnia. Might have even been a POW in Viet Nam.

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A fellow Insurance Agent sent me this e-mail about Michelle Obama:

"In her senior thesis at Princeton, Michele Obama, the wife of Barack Obama stated that America was a nation founded on “crime and hatred”.

Moreover, she stated that whites in America were “ineradicably racist”.

The 1985 thesis, titled "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community" was written under her maiden name, Michelle LaVaughn Robinson.

Michelle Obama stated in her thesis that to "Whites at Princeton , it often seems as if, to them, she will always be Black first..." However, it was reported by a fellow black classmate, “If those "Whites at Princeton " really saw Michelle as one who always would "be Black first," it seems that she gave them that impression”.

Most alarming is Michele Obama’s use of the terms “separationist” and “integrationist” when describing the views of black people.
Mrs. Obama clearly identifies herself with a “separationist” view of race.
“By actually working with the Black lower class or within their communities as a result of their ideologies, a separationist may better understand the desperation of their situation and feel more hopeless about a resolution as opposed to an integrationist who is ignorant to their plight.”

Obama writes that the path she chose by attending Princeton would likely lead to her "further integration and/or assimilation into a white cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant."
Michele Obama clearly has a chip on her shoulder.

Not only does she see separate black and white societies in America , but she elevates black over white in her world.


Here is another passage that is uncomfortable and ominous in meaning:

“There was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost. “

What is Michelle Obama planning to do with her future resources if she’s first lady that will elevate black over white in America ?

The following passage appears to be a call to arms for affirmative action policies that could be the hallmark of an Obama administration.

“Predominately white universities like Princeton are socially and academically designed to cater to the needs of the white students comprising the bulk of their enrollments.”


The conclusion of her thesis is alarming.

Michelle Obama’s poll of black alumni concludes that other black students at Princeton do not share her obsession with blackness. But rather than celebrate, she is horrified that black alumni identify with our common American culture more than they value the color of their skin. “I hoped that these findings would help me conclude that despite the high degree of identification with whites as a result of the educational and occupational path that black Princeton alumni follow, the alumni would still maintain a certain level of identification with the black community. However, these findings do not support this possibility.”

Is it no wonder that most black alumni ignored her racist questionnaire?

Only 89 students responded out of 400 who were asked for input.
Michelle Obama does not look into a crowd of Obama supporters and see Americans. She sees black people and white people eternally conflicted with one another.

The thesis provides a trove of Mrs. Obama's thoughts and world view seen through a race-based prism.

This is a very divisive view for a potential first lady that would do untold damage to race relations in this country in a Barack Obama administration.

Michelle Obama’s intellectually refined racism should give all Americans pause for deep concern.

Now maybe she’s changed, but she sure sounds like someone with an axe to grind with America . Will the press let Michelle get a free pass over her obviously racist comment about American whites? I am sure that it will. But it shouldn’t.
I am definitely sick of the main stream media (MSM) feeding us all this crap about Obama being an agent of change. Has anyone stopped to think what kind of change; really?

PS: We paid for her scholarship."



Sorry about how long this post is, but I felt like it was worth passing along. Do we Really want this woman's husband as the leader of the free world?



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Old 03-30-2008, 05:42 PM   #35
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So....which crook ARE you voting for in Nov???? LOL
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Sorry about how long this post is, but I felt like it was worth passing along. Do we Really want this woman's husband as the leader of the free world?



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Yes. I'll ask you to take the slanderous email you received and delete the opinion/comments of the sender. Read only her words. Her words from her perspective. Were they reasonable? Were they accurate? We know nothing of the person commenting other than their opinion is clearly meant to do one thing...scare white people...that is what I call racist.
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Yes. I'll ask you to take the slanderous email you received and delete the opinion/comments of the sender. Read only her words. Her words from her perspective. Were they reasonable? Were they accurate? We know nothing of the person commenting other than their opinion is clearly meant to do one thing...scare white people...that is what I call racist.
I did read the entire thesis, after receiving this e-mail. It is available here:
Michelle Obama Princeton Thesis

After reviewing the thesis, I was somewhat surprised to find that Michelle Obama holds the following view:

However, with the increasing integration of Blacks into the mainstream society, many “integrated Blacks” have lost touch with the Black culture in their attempts to become adjusted and comfortable in their new culture–the White culture. Some of these Blacks are no longer able to enjoy the qualities which make Black culture so unique or are unable to openly share their culture with other Blacks because they have become so far removed from these experiences and, in some instances, ashamed of them as a result of their integration.

She sees America as two seperate, and unequal worlds. Black and White. She maintains it is extremely hard, to the point of being impossible, to not be either in "Separated" Black culture or "Separated" White culture. In other words, all of the work of the Civil Rights movement only allowed Black people to be experience "The American Dream" if they are willing to be co-opted into "White Culture". I disagree.

In the spirit of full disclosure, I want to add that I am a white man. I am also a registered Democrat. I have worked in Democratic campaigns to elect local officials in my area. However, I am not affiliated with any presidential campaign. I only brought up this subject to say this, that Hillary Clinton has been thoroughly vetted over the last 20 years, and that although the Clinton's have plenty of skeletons in their closets, they are public knowledge. How much do we really know about Barack Obama? Who is he, really? Who's views does he represent? What does he have to show for his "political career" other than a few terms in the Illinois Senate, which culminated in a speech at the 2004 Democratic National Convention, and a partial term in the U.S. Senate (in which he ran against a man who had never even lived in the State of Illinois, Alan Keyes, because the original Republican nominee, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race.). As far as who I am voting for, in the North Carolina Democratic Primary on May 6, I am voting for Hillary Clinton. In the General Election, I'll probably vote for John McCain.

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Also, read this article about Michelle Obama's thesis. As best I can tell, it is from a very "Mainstream" source.

Michelle Obama thesis was on racial divide - Jeffrey Ressner - Politico.com

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Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race.). As far as who I am voting for, in the North Carolina Democratic Primary on May 6, I am voting for Hillary Clinton. In the General Election, I'll probably vote for John McCain.

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I don't find her thesis to be all that troubling. I mean it is simply leftist, liberal versus the deep and ugly and delusional stuff coming from the pastor. Both situations, though, highlight the fact that both Obamas are really heavy into racial identity politics contrary to the official party line which has Obama saying every day that "there is not a white american and a black america but just a United States of America." That is a popular message but covers up a lot of stuff in the background. His minister calls Farakan a great American and goes to Libya with him. Not good.

My point is that ethically both Obamas may survivie some of this but still leave voters with the impression that they are way too far to the left so it does cost them votes.

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I know that some of you guys here are really touched by the speeches where Obama's minister talks about how he has been oppressed over the years by white capitalist system and the U.S. of KKK so check out this link and you will see that he is really making out okay nevertheless. This victim stuff can be very profitable indeed.

Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement - America’s Election HQ

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