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Old 10-15-2009, 08:13 PM   #1
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This article was interesting:

Apple Will Feel The Pain From Windows 7 Launch - Software - IT Channel News by CRN

The author predicts that Windows 7 will crush Apple's gains in the market.

Is anyone out there running Windows 7 - do you like it?

How does it compare to Vista?

XP?

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Old 10-15-2009, 11:14 PM   #2
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I've been using 7 since the first Beta and have been running 7 Release Candidate build 7100 exclusively.

All the good stuff from XP and Vista with none of the bad Vista stuff.
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I've been using 7 since the first Beta and have been running 7 Release Candidate build 7100 exclusively.

All the good stuff from XP and Vista with none of the bad Vista stuff.

Is it worth the money to upgrade from XP to 7, also I have an upgrade disc for Vista. Would I need to install it in order to go to windows 7?.
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Originally Posted by Robert Barney View Post
This article was interesting:

Apple Will Feel The Pain From Windows 7 Launch - Software - IT Channel News by CRN

The author predicts that Windows 7 will crush Apple's gains in the market.
I think Windows 7 will create more fanfare than anything else. From as objective a perspective as a happy mac user can come from I think that OS X Snow Leopard claiming that it's "The worlds most advanced operating system: finely tuned" is a fair comment. A year and a half ago I bought my first mac and the latest OS upgrade ($29) made me start loving my computer more than I thought possible. From the reviews I've seen and read it looks like Windows 7 is trying to play catch up with OS X, which is cool, but part of the beauty that Windows has not been able to mirror is how few system resources the OS uses and how stable it runs while being user friendly. My brother in law is "morally opposed" to mac products (except his iPod), but while his computer is back at the shop because of Windows (for the 4th time under warranty, less than 1 year old) he's been using a linux box I had. Linux has some user friendly features like a mac and he's slowing warming up to the idea of OS X. Whether windows 7 becomes the next great thing or not I think will depend more on marketing than the quality of it's product. It took Microsoft years to get to Windows XP SP3 to have a nice stable operating system and now they've launched a 7 before fixing many of the problems with Vista, why does the consumer tolerate this and at such a high price tag?
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MS vs Apple is as old as time.

It has always boiled down to this fundamental difference in platforms and in philosophy: the artsy guys versus the corporate guys. The differences are slowly merging.

Apple is not open source (for most purposes) so if you want to change hardware you pay a premium.

PC stuff (hardware) is generally (almost always) cheaper and there is a much greater variety of things you can customize. Not so with Apple.

On the other hand, Apple, because it is not really open source, can do a better job of integrating the software and hardware since they control all aspects.

Just depends on what floats your boat.

And yes, it is worth upgrading from XP if you have the hardware. You will be forced to do this at some point anyway as XP is left in the dust and future hardware/software does not support it. Many are saying the only thing that makes sense now is to upgrade to hardware that has 7 already installed.
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MS vs Apple is as old as time.

It has always boiled down to this fundamental difference in platforms and in philosophy: the artsy guys versus the corporate guys. The differences are slowly merging.

Apple is not open source (for most purposes) so if you want to change hardware you pay a premium.

PC stuff (hardware) is generally (almost always) cheaper and there is a much greater variety of things you can customize. Not so with Apple.

On the other hand, Apple, because it is not really open source, can do a better job of integrating the software and hardware since they control all aspects.

Just depends on what floats your boat.

And yes, it is worth upgrading from XP if you have the hardware. You will be forced to do this at some point anyway as XP is left in the dust and future hardware/software does not support it. Many are saying the only thing that makes sense now is to upgrade to hardware that has 7 already installed.
Apple because it is non open source, has a kind of monopoly over the applications it offers.

MS, because it is more open source, is much more capitalistic. More software creators offering many more applications, serious competition, and resulting lower costs for just about everything - computers to add ons.

I wonder what the split is in Apple users: How many are Republicans versus how many are Democrats?

Oh, by the way, Rush Limbaugh is a Mac user.

I like Rush, I have never owned an Apple product.
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On the surface you neo-cons should love Apple. Here you have a company that seems to exemplify all of the best traits of corporate capitalism... innovation, profitability, entrepreneurship, etc.

But Apple is missing the one ingredient that most neo-con right-wing, gun-nuts treasure the most... the one feature that Microsoft has that endears it to the neos... that THEY are above the law... and that GREED IS GOOD.

For those who remember the anti-trust actions against M$ in the past and who idolize Bill Gates and company, it must hurt to the core that Apple has a better operating system (OS X), a better music platform (iPod and iTunes), a better "cloud" (MobileME) and a better phone (iPhone).



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Only Al could turn an Apple vs. PC thread into a politics rant.

I wonder how many Catholics prefer the PC to how many Muslims prefer the Apple? I wonder how many atheists prefer the PC because of the God-like image of Steve Jobs? Or maybe it is the other way around because of the God-like image of Bill Gates?
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Originally Posted by Charpress View Post
Only Al could turn an Apple vs. PC thread into a politics rant.

I wonder how many Catholics prefer the PC to how many Muslims prefer the Apple? I wonder how many atheists prefer the PC because of the God-like image of Steve Jobs? Or maybe it is the other way around because of the God-like image of Bill Gates?


That's easy. The neo-cons hate Apple. Why? What is the logo? An apple. But what about that apple? It has a bite taken out of it. What does that bite symbolize in the minds of the neos? The apple is the forbidden fruit and the bite represents the expulsion of mankind from the G of E with the logical conclusion that Apple Computer Co. is an instrument of the devil. After all, what does "Think Different" really mean? Doesn't it mean to reject the teaching of Jesus our Savior? Is that not blasphemy?

It all works. You just have to see it from the born-again neo point of view. I'm good at that.

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What an imagination...
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What an imagination...
And the fiction most of the neo-cons here call Jesus Christ... and all those stories about this character... indeed the entire "bible"... both old and new... isn't imagination?
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Just to be clear, Adam was the ancestor of some guy named Abraham and the last time I heard the story he was the father of the Jewish race. Or did I get my wires crossed. Is that story also fiction?

And Jesus, and those 12 guys who followed him around, who authored about 1/2 the new Testament, and Saul of Tarsus who ended up authoring about 1/2 the rest of the New Testament, were all Jews. I didn't read anywhere where they stopped being Jews.

So if Jesus is a fictional character, you should assign blame to where it belongs, Jews.

Of course I don't think any of it is a lie, all these Jews were the instruments of God's inspiration.
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And the fiction most of the neo-cons here call Jesus Christ... and all those stories about this character... indeed the entire "bible"... both old and new... isn't imagination?
Just like EVERY religion. They're all based upon a believe in a fictional entity (god).

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Just like EVERY religion. They're all based upon a believe in a fictional entity (god).

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I can believe in a god or some supreme force or intelligent creation, but there is no way I can believe that anything in the bible ever happened or any of the characters ever lived. Jesus is a myth. It's a hell of a good story... but so is The Wizard of Oz.
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So the books of the Old Testament were fiction?
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So the books of the Old Testament were fiction?
Not "were"... are.

I believe so. You are free to believe what you wish. If you believe that everything in either testament happened just as written, knock yourself out.

We liberals call that "freedom of religion." I don't think the Christian "born again" fundamentalist conservative right-wing of the Republican party has that in its platform. If they did, I might have a shot a membership in the New York Athletic Club!
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We liberals call that "freedom of religion."
You are, of course, perfectly free to believe as you wish. I wasn't aware of any conservatives who were opposed to the first amendment.

From time to time we do get testy about those liberals who appear to have an agenda of making freedeom FROM religion the same as freedom of religion. That is certainly not consistent with the practices of the founders who authored the amendment.

And on a final note, thanks for clarifying your position on Judaism and Christianity. That was helpful.
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Hmmm....I don't believe a word of this forum nor do I believe in GreenSky or some guy named Al.

I have absolutely no proof aside from a bunch of words that I can pull up on my computer screen that are contradictory at best, and contrived in the manipulative imagination of some sick individual at worst. Of course, I am unique, I am only one of just ten thousand people IN THE WHOLE WORLD who even know these words are here.

It takes greater faith than I have, to believe you are out there. Show me a sign, and then I will believe. Maybe.

And what proof can you give so that 50 years from now my 1 year-old great-grand-niece will know whether you ever even existed or not? (And for argument's sake let's assume you go the way of a famous mobster and your bones are nowhere to be found.) And for extra credit, tell me what you would have to do that folks would even remember who you were 2000 years from now? And what proof would they have, an old server somewhere in Europe?

I don't believe in GreenSky. GreenSky does not exist. Besides, with my OWN eyes, when I look at the sky, it is BLUE. You believe what you want, not me. And I'm sure it's okay that I don't believe, what possible consequences could their be anyway? So, I'm not worried about it.

Also, I don't believe anything unusual happened in Alabama in 1958. I was VERY young and certainly nowhere near Alabama. What proof can you give me? Don't show me anything written down, that can be altered, and is probably fiction anyway, I'm sure somebody made that stuff up, there is no way anything happened, it is too incredulous and just does not make sense today. Where's the proof, I want to see it, and no doctored photographs please, those are easy enough to make nowadays. How are you going to convince me?

I don't believe racism exists, therefore, it does not. I don't ever see it (I don't watch TV, that's all fiction too, just a "point of view", certainly can't believe what they put on there as "news", so you can't use that). I visited with an old man in a rest home yesterday and asked him. He said there may have been a book about a cabin but that it was fiction and obviously had absolutely nothing to do with reality. He claims there are other races, or used to be, but he never leaves his room, so he could not prove anything to me. He could not remember when the last time he actually saw a person of another race. So, they obviously don't exist, someone is full of fiction.

Fiction is everyday day all around us; you can see it with your own eyes. Who can you believe? What should we believe? Yesterday is gone, can you prove to me it was ever here? Can you tell me ANYTHING truthful about tomorrow? I fear I have led myself down a road of ultimate despair and I fear I shall die without ever knowing if GreenSky actually exists. When I am dead, will it matter?

[Man, that's depressing and tiring. I'd hate to have to really live like this all the time. Signing off.]

P.S.Windows 7 does not exist, I've never seen it, it is all much ado about nothing. All of "this" is just a random chance arrangement of molecules that could fly apart into oblivion at any moment. So, what does it matter? By the way, what holds it all together for now, anyway?
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It's easier to upgrade from Vista to 7. You can't do a direct upgrade from XP to 7 without backing up everything because it will wipe out everything you have.
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Here's my rule for all new technology; wait 1 year. In many cases prices come down but better than that, all the bugs are exposed and corrected.

I just bought my wife an Iphone for $100; 3g since the 3gs is now out. What did people pay for those things, $600?

I have Vista with almost no problems but I also kept XP for over a year.

So I'll probably move to Windows 7....in a year.

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