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Old 05-21-2008, 02:59 PM   #2
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It's a cat plan from American National. What is your problem with it? Just askin' ...
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I thought catastrophic plans had high deductibles?
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Not necessarily. A cat plan can have a low ded. but it covers essentially nothing of the routine stuff. Knowing this plan, there is a limited outpatient rider, but it ranges in ded. from $750 to $25,000. Decent plan, IMO.
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Not necessarily. A cat plan can have a low ded. but it covers essentially nothing of the routine stuff. Knowing this plan, there is a limited outpatient rider, but it ranges in ded. from $750 to $25,000. Decent plan, IMO.
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Old 05-21-2008, 04:40 PM   #6
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One of these scheduled plans where if you have a kidney operation it pays $1,234?
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2,5,7 million cap...unless you're talking about another one, which is an outpatient cap of 10k per year.

There are other caps...all plans have caps.

Which one are you referring to?
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2,5,7 million cap...unless you're talking about another one, which is an outpatient cap of 10k per year.

There are other caps...all plans have caps.

Which one are you referring to?

I don't know.....thats what I was asking you....surg. caps.....chemo caps.....mis. inpat. caps.....
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More junk for agents who can't sell real major med.
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Wrong. I sell MM all day long, but this plan is a good option for people who want something less costly that makes sense sometimes for some...

Not going to get into a tit for tat yada yada about this....it just makes sense for some, and not for others. It's not a lame POS scheduled plan. It may have limits, but it prices out as an affordable plan that protects those who take it from the upside in the event of some bad stuff happening.

As long as they are aware of the limitations, it's a good plan. If it's sold under the wrong circumstances then it's no better or worse than any other crap on the market...
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I guess I'll have to call to find out what it is. No one here seems to really know the product. Greg is holding back on the facts for some reason.
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Sorry, wasn't holding back, just busy. It uses either PHCS, HealthSmart or Texas True Choice.

Here are the details c&p'd from the brochure...

Plan Design
Indemnity or PPO
Issue Ages
0 - 63 1/2
Cash Deductible
$750; $1,500; $2,000; $2,500; $5,000; $10,000 or $15,000
Stop Loss Amount
$5,000 or $10,000
Maximum Benefit Payment
$1,000,000 for each injury or sickness;
$2,000,000; $5,000,000 or $7,000,000 for all injuries
Or sicknesses
Coinsurance Amount
100% In Network (80% Out of Network); or
80% In Network (60% Out of Network) up to Stop
Loss, 100% thereafter; or
50% In Network (30% Out of Network) up to Stop
Loss, 100% thereafter
Optional Accident Expense Benefit
Rider
ANL-ACCEX06- Available for additional premium
Maximum Benefit per Injury: $400; $800 or $1,200. Not
Subject to Deductible or Coinsurance
Optional Outpatient Doctor Rider
ANL-OPB06- Available for additional premium
Outpatient Services paid at 80% coinsurance rate once
$1,000 deductible is met. Maximum benefit per Calendar
Year is $10,000
Outpatient Prescription Drug Rider
ANL-PDR06- Available for additional premium
Participating Pharmacy
Individual Calendar Year Deductible: $500 or $1,000
Family Calendar Year Deductible: $1,000 or $2,000
Copay: $10 Generic; $25 Brand Name; $30 Mail Order
Generic; $75 Mail Order Brand Name
Coinsurance Amount for Generic: 100% after Deductible
And Copay
Coinsurance Amount for BrandName: 50% after
Deductible and Copay
Coinsurance Amount for Brand Name when Generic is
Available: Insured pays copay + 100% of the difference
Between the cost of the generic and brand name
Non-Participating Pharmacy
Individual Calendar Year Deductible: $1,000 or $2,000
Family Calendar Year Deductible: $2,000 or $4,000
Copay: $10 Generic; $25 Brand Name; No Mail Order
Available
Coinsurance Amount for Generic: 100% after Deductible
And Copay
Coinsurance Amount for Brand Name: 50% after
Deductible and Copay
Coinsurance Amount for Brand Name when Generic is
Available: Insured pays copay + 100% of the difference
Between the cost of the generic and brand name
Design A Plan That Fits Your Needs

HOSPITAL STAY: Reasonable and Customary Charges made by
The Hospital for each day a Covered Person is Hospital Confined.
Such charges will include (a) Room accommodations (up to the
Average semi-private room rate). The average semi-private room
Rate includes any separate charges such as room, nursing services,
Maintenance, utilities and similar items. If a Hospital has only
Private rooms, eligible charges will be limited to 90% of the private
Room charge. (b) Charges for an Intensive Care Unit, Coronary
Care Unit and Neonatal Intensive Care Unit confinement up to
Three times the average semi-private room rate. (c) Hospital charges
For miscellaneous medical services and supplies that are necessary
For the treatment of the Covered Person while Hospital Confined.
These charges include: operating room, recovery room, anesthesia,
Surgical dressings, central supplies, casts and splints, Medicines or
Drugs, x-ray photographs, laboratory service and oxygen,
Equipment and services, blood plasma, whole blood and blood
Derivatives. All charges must be incurred while a Covered Person is
Hospital Confined. Eligible charges do not include: charges for
Take-home Medicines or Drugs (unless otherwise specifically
Provided by the Group Policy), personal and convenience items, or
Items that are not intended primarily for use while Hospital
Confined.
SURGERY: Reasonable and Customary Charges by a Doctor for
The primary surgery performed on a Covered Person while Hospital
Confined or in a Same Day Surgery Facility. This benefit includes
Routine care after the surgery. ANTEX will pay other surgical
Procedures, done during this same session, at 50% of the
Reasonable and Customary allowance. A surgical procedure
Involving TMJ (Temporomandibular Joint Disorder) is limited to a
Lifetime Maximum of $2,500 per Covered Person.
ASSISTANT SURGEON: Reasonable and Customary Charges
For surgical assistance performed on a Covered Person while
Hospital confined or in a Same Day Surgery Facility. Eligible
Assistant Surgeon expense is limited to 25% of the eligible charges
Allowance for the primary surgeon, when the assistance is rendered
By a Doctor. This benefit reduces to 20% when a Physician
Assistant assists and to 15% if the assistance is by a Registered
Nurse.
SECOND SURGICAL OPINION: Reasonable and Customary
Charges for a Doctor providing a second surgical opinion regarding
The advisability of surgery. If the initial and second surgical
Opinions conflict, ANTEX will pay benefits for a third surgical
Opinion. ANTEX does not subject charges for a second and third
Opinion to the Deductible Amount.
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Part II

CATASTROPHIC HOSPITAL INSURANCE COVERAGE
ELIGIBLE EXPENSES/MEDICAL SERVICES
Subject to the Deductible Amounts, the Group Policy includes the listed Eligible Expenses/
Medical Services, paid at the Reasonable and Customary charge maximum. Should
Inconsistencies occur with the information provided in this brochure, the terms and
Conditions of the Group Policy, as amended per state law, will apply.
ANESTHESIA AND ADMINISTRATION: Reasonable and
Customary Charges by an anesthesiologist for the administration of
Anesthesia to a Covered Person who is undergoing surgery while
Hospital Confined or in a Same Day Surgery Facility. The
Anesthesiologist must be at the operation solely to render the
Anesthesia service. ANTEX will reduce eligible benefits by 50% if a
Nurse anesthetist, operating surgeon or assistant surgeon
Administers the anesthesia and any incidental fluids as part of a
Covered surgical procedure. Charges include the reasonable cost of
Hospitalization and general anesthesia in order for a Covered Person
To safely receive dental care if he or she is under 8 years of age or is
Developmentally disabled. This benefit does not apply to treatment
Rendered for temporal mandibular join disorders (TMJ).
DOCTOR’S VISITS: Reasonable and Customary Charges by the
Primary attending Doctor for one visit per day while Hospital
Confined.
PATHOLOGY: Reasonable and Customary Charges by a
Pathologist for the interpretation of diagnostic tests or studies while
Hospital Confined or in a Same Day Surgery Facility.
PHYSIOTHERAPY: Reasonable and Customary Charges for
Physical, speech or inhalation therapist services while Hospital
Confined or in a Same Day Surgery Facility.
POST CONFINEMENT THERAPY: Reasonable and
Customary charges that a Hospital, or Hospital-based clinic, bills
For the services and supplies it furnishes to a covered person who is
Not Hospital Confined. The Covered Person must require Post
Confinement Therapy for a Sickness or Injury that caused a
Hospital Stay, or following surgery performed in a Hospital or Same
Day Surgery Facility, that is normally covered by the Group Policy.
The following types of Therapy are eligible under this provision:
Radiation therapy, including treatment planning; Chemotherapy,
Including treatment planning; Physical therapy; Speech therapy; and
Occupational therapy.
RADIOLOGY: Reasonable and Customary Charges by a
Radiologist for the interpretation of diagnostic tests or studies while
Hospital Confined or in a Same Day Surgery Facility.
SAME DAY SURGERY FACILITY: Reasonable and Customary
Charges for care received in a Same Day Surgery Facility. Eligible
Charges will be the fees for the use of the facility and other
Miscellaneous charges made by the facility. If the Covered Person
Stays in the Ambulatory Surgical Center for 18 or more hours,
ANTEX will pay eligible charges up to the average semi-private
Room rate for the use of the facility. The semi-private room rate will
Be consistent with Hospital charges in the area where the
5 Ambulatory Surgical Center is located.
CATASTROPHIC HOSPITAL INSURANCE COVERAGE
ELIGIBLE EXPENSES/MEDICAL SERVICES
CONTINUED
ORGAN TRANSPLANTS: Maximum Benefit for Organ
Transplants per Covered Person is $1,000,000. The organ being
Transplanted must be the organ of primary disease and must be one
Of the following organs: heart, lung, liver, cornea, pancreas, kidney
Or bone marrow and/or stem cells harvested from bone marrow or
Peripheral blood. (Stem cell or bone marrow transplants do not
Have to be the organ of primary disease). We will pay benefits for
The Eligible Expenses that result from charges related to, caused by,
Contributed to or resulting from an Organ Transplant. The Covered
Person must incur the charges during the Transplant Period. We
Will not pay for charges he Covered Person incurs outside the
Transplant Period, except for anti-rejection Drug charges. We will
Pay donor benefits: (a) Up to $15,000 in eligible charges; and (b)
When You or a Covered Person is legally responsible for the
Charges.
TRANSPLANT CENTERS: We have contracted with certain
Specified transplant centers to provide Organ Transplants at a
Negotiated rate. If a Covered Person utilizes a specified transplant
Center, ANTEX will waive the $1,000,000 Maximum Benefit for
An Organ Transplant and the charges will instead be applied
Towards the Group Policy Maximum. All other provisions of the
Group Policy will continue to apply. You or a Covered Person may
Send a written request to ANTEX’s Case Management Department
For a copy of the maximums.
HOSPICE CARE BENEFIT: Reasonable and Customary
Charges for Hospice Care provided by a Hospice agency (Non-
HSA only: up to the Maximum Benefit for Hospice Care shown in
The Certificate Schedule). We will not pay benefits under this
Provision and under another benefit provision of the Group Policy.
We only pay benefits for Hospice Care when: (a) The Hospice Care
Is provided to reduce or abate pain and not for cure; and (b) The
Covered Person’s Doctor certifies that the Covered Person’s life
Expectancy is less than six months. HSA only: This benefit is not
Subject to the Deductible Amount or any Rate of Payment that is
Less than 100%.
HOME HEALTH CARE: Reasonable and Customary Charges
For Home Health Care up to $40 per visit. There is a limit of one
Visit per day and 60 Home Health Care visits in each Calendar
Year. We count the following as one Home Health Care Visit: (a)
When a Home Health Care provider visits the home to evaluate the
Need for developing a Home Health Care plan; or (b) Up to four
Consecutive hours of Home Health Care. The home Health Care
Must begin within 7 days of a prior Hospital Stay of at least 3 days.
The Home Health Care must be provided in lieu of a Hospital
Stay. The Home Health Care must be for treatment of the same
Sickness or Injury for which the Covered Person was Hospital
Confined. Home Health Care includes the following eligible
Charges: Registered Professional Nurse (R.N.) or Licensed Practical
Nurse (L.P.N.) servies/supplies; Qualified physiotherapist, speech
Therapist or inhalation therapist services/supplies; Medical social
Services worker services/supplies. The services/supplies must be
Medically Necessary to understand the emotional, social and
Environmental factors affecting the Covered Person’s Sickness;
Home health aide services/supplies when under a R.N.’s direct
Supervision; Nutritional guidance when Medically Necessary;
Oxygen and its administration. HSA only: This benefit is not
Subject to the Deductible Amount or any Rate of Payment that is
Less than 100%.
MAMMOGRAM: Reasonable and Customary Charges in excess of
$25 for one annual screening mammogram per Calendar Year. We
Pay the benefit whether or not the Covered Person is Hospital
Confined. We do not apply charges to the Deductible Amount or
To any Co-Insurance Amount that is less than 100% .
PROFESSIONAL AMBULANCE SERVICE: Reasonable and
Customary Charges for transportation to the nearest Hospital
Qualified to treat Injuries or medical Emergencies.
COMPLICATIONS OF PREGNANCY: If a Covered Person
Suffers Complications of Pregnancy while covered under the Group
Policy, eligible charges incurred for treatment of such
Complications of Pregnancy will be considered for payment as if
They had resulted from Sickness. If an expense does not result solely
From the treatment of the Complications of Pregnancy, then it will
Be deemed due to normal pregnancy and not covered under the
Group Policy.
FOREIGN EMERGENCY TREATMENT: We will pay for
Benefits for eligible charges resulting from charges for Emergency
Treatment that a Covered Person receives in a foreign country.
Benefits payable will be the lesser of: (a) the actual charges for the
Services; or (b) the eligible charges that We would have paid if the
Covered Person had received the Emergency treatment where the
Covered Person resides.
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Strictly a cat policy. 47 million without insurance of any kind..this may be beneficial if there is nothing else.
Very liberal underwriting, I understand.
Just got a copy of the brochure, and it is as Greg states.
Would like to see contracting information and premiums.
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Old 05-22-2008, 04:10 PM   #15
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Actually, American National is among the tighter of my carriers in underwriting. I wish they were a little more loose, in fact!
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$1M max per accident or illness.

Base plan does not have outpatient doc or Rx.

Doc rider pays 80% after $1000 deductible up to $10,000 per yr.

Rx rider covers brand name at $25 copay + 50% coinsurance. If generic is available, insured pays copay + 100%.

HSA plan does not cover Rx.

Better than selling Mega, UA. But not by much.

It really doesn't matter what the rates are or how the underwriting is, it is junk for agents who can't sell real major med.
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It's hard for me to justify scheduled plans. Sometimes people argue that underwriting is better and you can cover people most major medical plans deem uninsurable, but in TX, we have the risk pool.

If someone is just looking to save money, why not sell a $10,000 or $25,000 high deductible plan?

I will not sell something with tiny outpatient limits. There are just too many things done on an outpatient basis and too many clients that won't understand they are getting a limited plan. I hate paying for E&O, but would like to continue not having to use it...
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too many clients that won't understand they are getting a limited plan.
Clients have very short memories.

Especially after they speak with an attorney . . . .

I hate paying for E&O, but would like to continue not having to use it...
Good call.
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You mean Anal Excess comes at an additional premium?

Oh, that's...never mind...uh

What is "ANL-ACCEX06- Available for additional premium"
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What is "ANL-ACCEX06- Available for additional premium"
Supp acc benefit.

$400, $800 or $1200.

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