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I'm curious. Is there anyone else here who considers themselves a liberal and is brave enough to stand in front of 12,000+ conservatives (some of ...


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I'm curious. Is there anyone else here who considers themselves a liberal and is brave enough to stand in front of 12,000+ conservatives (some of them rabid arch-conservatives who carry concealed weapons) and say so?

I'm one.

I'm curious if there are any others?

I often "brag" that I'm the only one. Let's see if that is true.

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Old 11-05-2009, 11:21 PM   #2
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I consider myself a liberal on social issues. I also am conservative on fiscal issues.

I believe in a woman's right to choose but am opposed to Roe v Wade on Constitutional grounds. I am in "favor" of gay marriage because the only thing the government has to do with marriage is to enforce the contract. The constitution doesn't discuss marriage.

Healthcare is no more of a right than food, shelter and life insurance. I am opposed to federal funding of public schools because I don't see this as being allowed in the Constitution.

I am in favor of legalizing all drugs, including prescriptions. It's my body and I have a right to take what I want.

The nanny state has no right to force me to wear my motorcycle helmet or seat belt. Owning GM and Chrysler is not okay.

Should I continue?

I am a liberal and a conservatiive. The difference between my beliefs and those of a republican and democrat is I AM CORRECT!

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Old 11-05-2009, 11:44 PM   #3
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Why would anyone claim to brag? I'd be embarrassed.
Perhaps I was not clear on the intent of this thread. The purpose of the thread is to find out who IS a liberal or who lean to the liberal side... not who ISN'T a liberal.. and why they aren't.

Rivers, we know you and 12,000+ other arch/neo-cons on this board are not liberal. I'm trying to find out who IS one.

I politely ask that you start your own thread on "Why I hate liberals." This thread is not the venue for it.

Thank you for your kind indulgence.

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I politely ask that you start your own thread on "Why I hate liberals." This thread is not the venue for it.

Thank you for your kind indulgence.

Al
I stand corrected and will delete my previous post, apologies. It's not hate, I just don't understand the liberal ideas. Carry on.
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I politely ask that you start your own thread on "Why I hate liberals." This thread is not the venue for it.
And if someone start a thread like that, you will refrain from commenting on it. Do we have your solemn word on that?
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And if someone start a thread like that, you will refrain from commenting on it. Do we have your solemn word on that?
I guess I am still not being clear. The purpose of this thread is for those who are liberal to stand up and be counted if they desire (or have the courage to.)

I didn't intend it to be discussion on anything in particular.

Like I asked Rivers, will you please kindly start your own thread on "Why I hate liberals" as that is not the intent of this thread.

I can't stop you from posting here, but I can ask your kind indulgence... and thank you in advance for your cooperation and consideration. Whether or not you wish to grant it, is of course up to you.
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Al, I am a democrat. I have been wanting to ask you why or how you voted for W. twice? With all due respect, were you drunk? Thanks. I enjoy reading your posts.
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Al, I am a democrat. I have been wanting to ask you why or how you voted for W. twice? With all due respect, were you drunk? Thanks. I enjoy reading your posts.
Simple. In 2000 Bush came to me with something new... "Compassionate Conservatism." I thought he would take the best of the right and left and meld them. And I think he could/would have, except for 911.

In 2004, while I was not enamored with Bush, I disliked Kerry more. He offered nothing except "I'm not Bush." Bush did a good job in getting Part D through in 2003 along with tax cuts, and I thought that while he was a world-class dummy, he had good people working for him and was running the country fairly well. But most of all, I simply didn't trust John Edwards. I didn't know why at the time. Just a gut thing. Of course it turned out my "gut" was right.

The last 3 years of Bush sobered me up and I realized that I' had been duped, just like I was when I voted for Clinton in 1992 as a "New Democrat" which he wasn't. I supported Dole-Kemp in 1996 but I knew it was a lost cause because you can't beat somebody with nobody and Dole was a nobody. (I liked his wife better.)

I didn't support McCain (whom I admire) because of Palin. I also thought John acted badly when he called Obama "That one" in the debate. That showed me a side of the man I didn't like.

I'm an independent and I will give all candidates of all parties a look. The problem with the Reps is that all they say is "No, don't to that, do nothing instead." All they have on their plate is "No this, No that, No everything." I believe that government can be a force of "good" and is the only countervailing power to the corporate multi-national... who does not have me and my family as their best interest. And the Federal government is the only entity I've seen bring about the important social changes in my life. Private schools wouldn't admit blacks until made to. Restaurants wouldn't serve them until made to. You know the rest of the story.

The vast majority of neo-cons see government as a force of evil. In my life the evil that I've seen never came from the Federal government (with the exception of J. Edgar Hoover as well as the imprisonment of the Japanese citizens in WW2). Evil came from corrupt state and local governments as well as a greedy business community. Not much has changed, except that arch-cons can't lynch people like they used to, nor can they expect to get away with a bombing nor not be convicted of murder by an all white jury as when I was a boy.

Neo-cons have never seen the evil that their older brothers and their parents and grandparents have done and were made to stop... by the government that they hate so much. And my guess is that is WHY they hate it so much. It's an authority thing. With arch/neo-cons, the rules apply to everyone but them... because they still believe in white supremacy, or if not that, than some kind of paranoia paradigm that a gay guy will hit on them or that an immigrant might get food stamps to feed their children.

Unlike most here, I don't live in a zero-sum world. I don't believe that if someone else gets something that it means I have to lose something.

One thing is certain. Out of some 12,000+ here, there are not more than twenty or thirty liberal/moderates since very few "came out" in this thread.

I can't really blame them. When you have guys here who brag about walking around with a loaded weapon or others like ins.dave who will unleash a merciless assault of hateful invective and than stalk you through every thread, it probably makes sense for most to just stay in the closet.

I'm in a position to be open and honest here because my financial position is secure, as is my business and my standing in the community (that I've lived in for the past 28 years.) I don't care if I'm not liked by those here who are my polar opposite. Indeed, I wear it as a badge of honor that those whom I've fought against my entire life recognize me as a force to be reckoned with.

If the pistol-packing band of reactionary arch-conservatives in this venue want to bring us back to separate-but-(un)equal, to segregated offices and armed services and neighborhoods, to coat-hanger abortions, to gay bashing, to lynching and cross burning terrorists night-riders, and to the days when cops beat up anyone they wanted, well... they have to get past me first.... and on any day of any week I'm a better writer, a harder working activist, a better organizer, and a better strategist than all of them put together.

Egotistic? Arrogant? A bit... sure... but that's what you have to be when you do political battle. If you don't believe what you believe is better than the other guy... no one else will believe it. Besides, "It's not braggin' if you can do it" and I can do it.

I don't know if that answers your question. If not, I'll try again.

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Yes Al, you answered my question. You make some good points.
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Originally Posted by al3 View Post
If the pistol-packing band of reactionary arch-conservatives in this venue want to bring us back to separate-but-(un)equal, to segregated offices and armed services and neighborhoods, to coat-hanger abortions, to gay bashing, to lynching and cross burning terrorists night-riders, and to the days when cops beat up anyone they wanted, well... they have to get past me first.... and on any day of any week I'm a better writer, a harder working activist, a better organizer, and a better strategist than all of them put together.
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Perhaps I was not clear on the intent of this thread. The purpose of the thread is to find out who IS a liberal or who lean to the liberal side... not who ISN'T a liberal.. and why they aren't.

Rivers, we know you and 12,000+ other arch/neo-cons on this board are not liberal. I'm trying to find out who IS one.

I politely ask that you start your own thread on "Why I hate liberals." This thread is not the venue for it.

Thank you for your kind indulgence.

Al
So I guess this thread has changed to the official "I hate conservatives" thread to which conservatives are to have no comment.

That's Al, happy as a clam, living in his own little socialist world without anyone to point out that his ideas are off the reservation.

NOTE TO AL: I didn't call you a clam, I just said you were as happy as a clam and my sources tell me clams are very happy indeed. Any other comparisons to clams or other characteristics of clams are hereby disclaimed. I just wanted to point out that you are happy as a clam.
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I'm a liberal.
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Al,

I think you nailed the whole reason people hate the government:

who does not have me and my family as their best interest

That is pretty much both sides of the isle. I prefer Republicans since they are better at making you think they care, unlike Democrats, who cater to who is winning or in front of them (look at NY23...4 campaign promises broken in the first 24 hours).

Yes our government can do much good, the problem is they offset it. On social issues they may have the best intentions, but while one hand is patting you on the back saying good for you for caring, the other is taking money out of your back pocket.
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I am a Liberal.

According to many conservatives

I am also a Conservative.

According to many liberals.

Does that count?
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I think the federal government is going to implode before too long. I love my state but I can't say the same thing for Washington DC. I'd be much happier without it.

Does that make me a liberal?
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I think the federal government is going to implode before too long. I love my state but I can't say the same thing for Washington DC. I'd be much happier without it.

Does that make me a liberal?
I am hoping to buy California when Meg Whitman puts it up on Ebay. When I do, then there will really be some changes you can believe in, believe me. I am going to get a loan from Acorn to bid on it too so it is all groovy. I told them at Acorn that I wanted to buy California and at first they wouldnt go for it because it did not have a good reputation. They tried to switch me over to just buying a condo complex to run a child prostitution ring so that it would not reflect poorly on them. In the end I was able to close the deal though. I convinced them that paying taxes to California was about like a prostitution business because in both cases you are paying them to get screwed. That seemed to work okay with them.


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I am as my old senator Scoop Jackson was, a hawkish democrat. I believe we need a certain low level of socialistic programs in our country, but the best social welfare our government could provide is making sure everybody is working and not in need of the social welfare net. For that, you need government support of business and industry through perks and breaks that create incountry jobs.

So how liberal am I? depends on the subject.
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Here's a litmus test ...

Do you believe the government should play an active role in equal rights?

Do you support a woman's right to choose?

Do you believe in worker's rights and workers having the right to organize?

Do you believe the government should regulate business against harming the citizen?

Do you believe all taxpaying citizens deserve to retire with dignity?

If you answered yes to 3 of these questions, you're a liberal.
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Loaded questions.

Sounds like a DNC survey.

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Here's a litmus test ...

Do you believe the government should play an active role in equal rights?

Do you support a woman's right to choose?

Do you believe in worker's rights and workers having the right to organize?

Do you believe the government should regulate business against harming the citizen?

Do you believe all taxpaying citizens deserve to retire with dignity?

If you answered yes to 3 of these questions, you're a liberal.


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