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Just getting started in the southern KY area. I've heard all this chatter on here about GAs and MGAs. Someone tell me the exact defiinition ...


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Old 11-19-2009, 06:33 AM   #1
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Just getting started in the southern KY area. I've heard all this chatter on here about GAs and MGAs. Someone tell me the exact defiinition of each, ( just want to make sure I've got it right ) and PLEASE recommend good ones to go for. Also please define pros and cons of joining up, or going it alone. I'm new to this, but vast experience in sales. After reading this forum for days - I'm not sure the sales experience matters.

Ps - I have thouroughly enjoyed this forum, and cutos to the developer!

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Old 11-19-2009, 09:04 AM   #2
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Well, depending on who you ask, GAs and MGAs are either a necessary and helpful part of the insurance business or the Unholy Spawn of the Evil Lord Himself.

With health insurance, it's often possible to contract directly with an insurance company (say, for instance, Humana). If you contract directly with a company, then you've never got to worry about anyone but that company paying you (there's no middleman in between you and your paycheck), but you'll lose out on any support a GA might offer. With some health companies (again, let's use Humana) it's impossible to get advanced directly - but you can get an advance if you go through a GA.

On the life side, your options are more limited - there are fewer companies that will allow you to appoint directly with the carrier. You'll frequently find yourself going through a GA/MGA to get appointed, because life insurance carriers (in many cases) won't allow direct appointments without several million dollars in annual premium. Commissions are usually more flexible on the life side, too - you can often take lower commissions in return for more support, or accept higher comp but accept that you'll be getting less hand-holding. Shameless plug alert: you could, of course, get training and support through our organization, leaving you free to get the best contracts out there.

By the way:

GA: General Agent
MGA: Managing General Agent
BGA: Brokering General Agent
IMO: Insurance Marketing Organization
FMO: Field Marketing Organization

These are the five big ones you'll run into. From the perspective of an agent, a GA/BGA/MGA is just someone who has high enough contracts to support recruiting other agents (confusingly, many life companies refer to their street level contracts as GA level). An IMO/FMO is a large organization like Next Generation Financial Group that has direct appointments with carriers and can contract you under those direct contracts (they achieve this by having a large agent base - aggregating their production helps them achieve that high level of premium necessary to get those contracts).

Things to always ask when you're shopping GAs/MGAs/IMOs:

1. What's your release policy? The answer should always be "immediate and upfront." If your relationship with your upline goes south, you want to make sure you've got an immediate way out.

2. Who owns the business? When you submit a policy, be it life or health, are you listed as the agent on the policy or is "IMO Whatever" listed as the agent? If it's not your name on the dotted line, then you're leaving yourself open to be taken advantage of.

3. Do you require assignment of commissions? There are a few circumstances under which assignment is okay, or even necessary. However, if commissions are assigned as a blanket rule...things are fishy.

4. Where will my check come from? The previous question will answer this, but always verify by asking it this way. Will you be paid by the IMO/MGA, or from the carrier?

5. What support and training do you offer? If you've got an underwriting question, can you call your IMO/MGA directly, or do you need to call your companies? Will they scrub your apps for you? Do they offer any product or sales training?

Lots of people would say to ask about free lead programs - but in my estimation, free leads are worth less than what you pay for them. Not only that, but nine times out of ten the commission hit for those "free" leads eats up the cost of producing them yourself, anyway.

As far as recommending an IMO/MGA, shameless plug alert number two, I think the ILIAA (Independent Life Insurance Agent Association - ILIAA) has a great thing going for life. On the health side, Health Choice One is very popular around here.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:37 AM   #3
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Bravo Nick! Your post should be part of licensing course for new insurance agents.

I wish the moderator would post this in the FAQ section so people don't ask this exact same question three times per week.

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Originally Posted by TristanTLC View Post
Bravo Nick! Your pos should be part of licensing course for new insurance agents.

I wish the moderator would post this in the FAQ section so people don't ask this exact same question three times per week.


I agree....great post. I remember asking the same questions!!!
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Old 11-19-2009, 12:58 PM   #5
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And here I thought GA stood for Georgia and MGA stood for Middle Georgia. Thanks, Nick, for the clarification.
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Old 11-19-2009, 01:58 PM   #6
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Thank you, guys! That's very kind of you all to say. I know that when I first got started, I was absolutely overwhelmed by the flood of abbreviations and information that new agents must assimilate. I'm glad you found it helpful!
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Old 11-19-2009, 04:01 PM   #7
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I found it very helpful, and to the point. As for asking the same question 3 times a week, this thread is called "Getting Started in the Insurance Business". I found it a great place to ask the question. I may ask it tomorrow too.

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Old 11-19-2009, 04:08 PM   #8
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I wonder if a mod could make that a "sticky".
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It is a great place to ask the question, if the same question has not already been asked on numerous occasions already and the answers are still readily available on the forum.
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Old 11-19-2009, 05:21 PM   #10
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Point taken TristsnTLC... You should lighten up though, your Tarheels look pretty good this year. GO CATS!
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Tarheels are kicking major behind this year. But I'm an NCState Fan, through and through. Have to stick with your team, even if they're not doing so great.
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I find MGA's so helpful.

Each morning, early in the day when I check my emails, I'll get an email directly from one of my companies regarding an issue, etc. Later that same day, my MGA always emails me the same email.

This same MGA is so helpful with any questions I have. I hadn't asked my MGA a question in years. I email my MGA a simple question. His email answer, "I don't know". Nothing else.

I called the carrier directly and got my answer.
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Ode to Jimmy V!
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I find MGA's so helpful.

Each morning, early in the day when I check my emails, I'll get an email directly from one of my companies regarding an issue, etc. Later that same day, my MGA always emails me the same email.

This same MGA is so helpful with any questions I have. I hadn't asked my MGA a question in years. I email my MGA a simple question. His email answer, "I don't know". Nothing else.

I called the carrier directly and got my answer.
I'm okay with "I don't know" so long as it's followed immediately by "But I'll find out for you by the end of the day."
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Originally Posted by souldeux View Post
I'm okay with "I don't know" so long as it's followed immediately by "But I'll find out for you by the end of the day."
Nick:

Do you know of any source where a life agent can get information and answers to underwriting and other questions (perhaps within one business day)?

It would be great if that source could provide answers to questions without promoting a specific carrier.

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Is this format somehow easier than calling on the phone


Originally Posted by GreenSky View Post
Nick:

Do you know of any source where a life agent can get information and answers to underwriting and other questions (perhaps within one business day)?

It would be great if that source could provide answers to questions without promoting a specific carrier.

Rick

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Old 11-23-2009, 09:23 AM   #17
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Thanks very good information!!!!
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Originally Posted by GreenSky View Post
Nick:

Do you know of any source where a life agent can get information and answers to underwriting and other questions (perhaps within one business day)?

It would be great if that source could provide answers to questions without promoting a specific carrier.

Rick
If only!

As far as it being easier to go through the ILIAA for UW support than through the individual carriers - our members think so, for sure.
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You guys are doing some shameless self promotion here.


Good job!
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Originally Posted by TristanTLC View Post
you guys are doing some shameless self promotion here.


Good job!
We're planning a webinar to help other agents learn how to shamelessly promote themselves, too - stay tuned for dates!

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