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Dave gave me some ideas about six weeks ago that I still use. It had to do with some of the tags and what "key words" I should be concentrating on.

There are a handful of SEO gurus on this Forum that really know their stuff.
 
What I like about what I've learned is work trumps money. I can go head to head with a multi-million dollar company but if I out-work them I can get better placement.

If SEO was about how much you spent only major corporations would rank. But if you're not a SEO expert, hire one. It's not about work - it's about doing the right kind of work.

It's also not about how many people you drive to your site - it's about driving the right people to your site. Would you advertise for health insurance in the cancer wards of hospitals?
 
OK. My time to chime in and let the cat out of the bag. I am actually an expert on SEO and I even moderate a large forum of the subject so here goes:

Using a lot of keywords isn't what gets you banned or hurts your rankings...it's using keywords that have nothing to do with your content.
True and not true: Over stuffing keywords into the wrong place can hurt your ranking but it depends on which search engine you are concentrating on. All search engines use different criteria even though most people concentrate on Google. Using related combination's of phrases can help expand the possible keywords that you use on your page, but you want to keep you meta keywords fairly short and concise.

Your main keywords should be focused to one main keyword phrase per page with two longer tail keyword phrases targeted towards the main root keyword you are targeting. Your keywords should be relevant to your site content. Also make sure that you use different keywords on each page.

As far as getting banned goes: Bad external link structure and using what are known as black hat seo tactics will get you banned. Link spamming will also get you banned. Buying paid links will now also hurt your ranking in Google but doesn't affect you with Yahoo or MSN. I had a site banned by Google just because I took the Google search bar off of my site. Exchanging links with things like porn sites, gambling sites or completely unreputable sites can also get you banned. Remember that the internet runs largely on reputation. If you have links with un reputable sites,then the search engines can also say that your site is unreputable.

As far as keywords go, one of the hardest things to learn is this: "What you believe to be true about your target market, isn't". What this means is finding out what terminology people outside of your industry use to describe your industry is much more different and varied than you would ever imagine. Learning exactly what language/verbiage/terminology etc. they use is tricky and then determining how to target your site towards the language they use can get even harder. It depends on your industry and your market and whatever that markets geographic location is as well as the demograph that is doing the searching.


Also, somehow SEO's have built up this sorta prestige to make you think that SEO is terribly complicated when its actually pretty simple.
I Disagree: While some of the basics are simple, the fine tuning is not simple. The entire internet is based off of links. Pure and simple. How you incorporate links into your site with things such as anchor text, and where the links are placed on your site as well as your links placed on other sites pointing back to your site can get complicated. So can how you target the market that your site is driving towards. There can be seasonal changes for exactly how your target market searches for what you do on the internet. Keeping up with this is never easy. Nor is keeping up with any of the current algorithm changes for the top search engines.

What was really important to Google two months ago is now not nearly as important as they have just devalued most sites PR to make room for their new criteria, devalued paid link prgrams, devalued social book markings as links, and placed more importance on site age, and visitor duration. Those are some pretty big changes that are not easily adapted to. The same can also be said for MSN and Yahoo and the changes that they make frequently. They all change their algorithms frequently and trying to figure out what to do without breaking any of that particular search engines rules is time consuming and tricky.

It should also be noted here that each of the three big search engines also appreciate different types of site structure when it comes to your internal linking. I have done massive testing on this. Some seacrh engines like a siloed structure, others do not. Some like anchor text cross linking, so do not. Some can navigage an image map navigation system, some cannot. Keeping up with this also is tricky.

Alot of good designers will be knowleagable in SEO and will handle the basics to start getting your site into the search engine's.
Again, I disagree: Most of the designers I know can make a page look much better than I can, but I can make my pages work with the search engines and the site visitors, even if my graphic design leaves something to be desired. I was teaching a really good designer a couple of weeks ago that actually has a degree in graphic web design and marketing and he was blown away by how much he DIDN'T know. I was web conferencing with him showing him why his company was in the toilet in his industry and how to tell what needed to be done to be competitive. Really guys, I do this kind of thing all of the time with web designers. I actually kind of have some sadistic fun with it!

As far as getting your site into the search engines, usually if your site is published, it will get crawled on whatever server it sits on fairly quickly. Whether or not it will get included into the index of that search engines can be determined but how agressive you are with link building and real world seo tactics. I never submit new sites to search engines. I let them find them on their own from a link I have placed some where out on the web.

Also everyone needs to remember that it is foolish to build your entire business simply around organic search results. Unless you are doing a Pay Per Click ad campaign, remember that search engines are a free service for us to use and that they only make money off of their advertising. To base your entire business off of a free service when these entities will change their criteria at will can make you very happy one day and incredibly frustrated the next. A good SEO should actually be consulted when you do your initial site design to make sure that it can weather the storms of the algorithm changes of the three biggest search engines simply by proper internal seo design as well as graphic design, user interface, and information conductivity.

Your sites in your portfolio look pretty good though! I couldn't design one that looked that good!


OK. There. I Did it. :::ducking:::
 
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What I like about what I've learned is work trumps money. I can go head to head with a multi-million dollar company but if I out-work them I can get better placement.

If SEO was about how much you spent only major corporations would rank. But if you're not a SEO expert, hire one. It's not about work - it's about doing the right kind of work.

Well put.

I'd like to think that I know a lot about SEO at this juncture. However, I got decent rankings long before I had a fraction of the knowledge that I do now (which is still a fraction of what professionals like Dave have).

It is easy to win a race when most of the other participants are walking. Most agents have a website built and wait for the traffic to pour in.

A website that never changes and never gets new links, won't stand a chance against a website that is constantly updated and is constantly getting fresh links.
 
From what I know of search engine ranking and optimization, and it is a good bit more than average, I would say Motoxxx is spot on in his analysis.

SEO is indeed a moving target which can make yesterday's expert today's semi-expert. To call yourself an expert you really have to keep up. That (among other things) is why it is a complicated field to be in.
 
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