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[Winter_123]

Nope. Totally Baghdad Bob world view here and consistent with the "that's fine" line in Trump's administration thus far.

The amount of hypocrisy is notable as well. The way you hold Obama to one standard and give Trump pass after pass on the same exact issues is remarkable.

Let's be clear here, Donald Trump has damaged our reputation across the world and our relationships with important allies. There are people marching in the streets all over Europe against him, grumblings among world leaders of his fitness but Winter believes this is a "spat", very euphemistic.

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Sorry but you are ill equipped to handle the difficult days ahead- either here or globally. Go to your safe space with plenty of survival food.


There are demonstrations in Europe against muslims, against trump, against Scotland membership in the UK, against and for membership in the EU.

Germany is up to its arse in discontent with Trump, with Angela, and with muslims.

Although she probably won't win, France just elected far, far, far right Marine LePen to run in the final elections in April or May. French people are pissed with her, they are pissed with the socialists, they are pissed with Trump, and they most defiinitely are pissed with muslims, the EU, and the whole immigration mess.

People in leading countries are pissed with Trump, pissed with their own leaders, pissed with muslims and immigration, pissed at the world.
Trump is in to some aggressive and dicey stuff and I concede that but I do not share your scared little puzzy view of the world that daddy is being bad and everyone else is being good and if daddy would just be good everything will be fine again.

Obama and some of the other countries let shiite go on too long. Not only domestic shiite but international relations as well. Now there is rough stuff and tough love that must be used. Not only this country is finding that out, but others as well. Obama and some other countries are like the father that had ten kids and just kept giving them whatever they wanted and letting them do whatever they wanted so that they would all like him. Then they all grow up to be angry and confused and looking for a cult leader to fix it for them.

Oh, and yes, if we take action against uncontrolled immigration, mistakes will be made and will need to be adjusted, and lots of people will hate us and will hate trump. Refer to Britain, Germany, and France to see if the hatred for not taking any action is more to your liking- although I know the answer.

 

[Robert Barney]

Obama and some of the other countries let shiite go on too long. Not only domestic shiite but international relations as well. Now there is rough stuff and tough love that must be used. Not only this country is finding that out, but others as well.

Nicely summarized.

These are the realities heaped on us by Obama that will never be acknowledged by people like orange.

There is a better chance that a brick wall would understand the problems created by Obama.

 

[AgentOrange]

Sorry but you are ill equipped to handle the difficult days ahead- either here or globally. Go to your safe space with plenty of survival food.


There are demonstrations in Europe against muslims, against trump, against Scotland membership in the UK, against and for membership in the EU.

Germany is up to its arse in discontent with Trump, with Angela, and with muslims.

Although she probably won't win, France just elected far, far, far right Marine LePen to run in the final elections in April or May. French people are pissed with her, they are pissed with the socialists, they are pissed with Trump, and they most defiinitely are pissed with muslims, the EU, and the whole immigration mess.

People in leading countries are pissed with Trump, pissed with their own leaders, pissed with muslims and immigration, pissed at the world.
Trump is in to some aggressive and dicey stuff and I concede that but I do not share your scared little puzzy view of the world that daddy is being bad and everyone else is being good and if daddy would just be good everything will be fine again.

Obama and some of the other countries let shiite go on too long. Not only domestic shiite but international relations as well. Now there is rough stuff and tough love that must be used. Not only this country is finding that out, but others as well. Obama and some other countries are like the father that had ten kids and just kept giving them whatever they wanted and letting them do whatever they wanted so that they would all like him. Then they all grow up to be angry and confused and looking for a cult leader to fix it for them.

Oh, and yes, if we take action against uncontrolled immigration, mistakes will be made and will need to be adjusted, and lots of people will hate us and will hate trump. Refer to Britain, Germany, and France to see if the hatred for not taking any action is more to your liking- although I know the answer.

Some stuff above that is real and some of it is made up but what it is mostly is a bunch of generalizing and not a clear eyed look at the way Trump has been conducting himself and approaching our allies and enemies. I'm telling you he is setting himself up to take a major hit and this needs to be addressed.

Here is where a clear eyed approach would be beneficial. We would not have Republican leaders having to correct the record on behalf of America for issues ranging from Russia to Australian relations if Trump had some consistency with American values.

You may enjoy watching this chaotic/quixotic mess because it feeds your new found populist instincts but it is not of any benefit to our country.

 

[Winter_123]

We would not have Republican leaders having to correct the record on behalf of America for issues ranging from Russia to Australian relations if Trump had some consistency with American values.

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There is considerable difference of opinion within the republican and conservative circles which does not fit your narrative that everyone just does what fox news and breibart tell them to do.

If the dnc had welcomed more diversity of opinion instead of thinking that its mission was to shut down any view or candidate that was not hillary, your ilk might be in power now rather than throwing rocks from your safe space. On the plus side, Hillary gets to watch the Price is Right in the morning now.

There was never a time in the entire campaign or now that I embrace all of Trump's approaches and personal conduct and I have said that from the beginning. However, there was never a time when I was interested in anything - let alone "all" things- from Clinton. I am just done with her. And, there was never a time when I was going to vote for Bernie either but at least he is not scripted and does not hate working class people and he properly reminds the democratic party that they used to be the champions of working class people rather than their enemy. Also, Bernie does not have a personal corruption and greed problem the way the clintons do. And neither does Biden.

 

[AgentOrange]

There is considerable difference of opinion within the republican and conservative circles which does not fit your narrative that everyone just does what fox news and breibart tell them to do.

If the dnc had welcomed more diversity of opinion instead of thinking that its mission was to shut down any view or candidate that was not hillary, your ilk might be in power now rather than throwing rocks from your safe space. On the plus side, Hillary gets to watch the Price is Right in the morning now.

There was never a time in the entire campaign or now that I embrace all of Trump's approaches and personal conduct and I have said that from the beginning. However, there was never a time when I was interested in anything - let alone "all" things- from Clinton. I am just done with her. And, there was never a time when I was going to vote for Bernie either but at least he is not scripted and does not hate working class people and he properly reminds the democratic party that they used to be the champions of working class people rather than their enemy. Also, Bernie does not have a personal corruption and greed problem the way the clintons do. And neither does Biden.

I don't think there is too much "diversity of opinion" of America's moral high ground over Russia. Unless, you agree it is appropriate to defend Putin by tearing down America and saying "we're not so innocent".

And another thing, the Australia thing. When was the last time the us got into a major conflict without Australia fighting along side us. Trump treating the Australians with disrespect and belligerence was way out of line. They're really great allies.

 

[Robert Barney]

And another thing, the Australia thing. When was the last time the us got into a major conflict without Australia fighting along side us. Trump treating the Australians with disrespect and belligerence was way out of line. They're really great allies.

Yep, Australia is wound up about Trump:





1:12well let me just go on as far as the
1:14call is concerned i'm not i'm very
1:18disappointed that there has been i
1:19leaked of purported details of the call
1:22in Washington are but I want to I want
1:25to make one observation about it
1:28the report that the president hang-up is
1:30not correct the call ended courteously
1:33and as far as the nature of the
1:35discussion it was very Frank and
1:37forthright I stand up four straight his
1:40interests i make Australia's case as
1:42parsley and persuasively as I can
1:45wherever I am sounds like he's having a
1:47little bit of regret that
1:48well it is you got to remember is what
1:53the president is doing and I've I I
1:55thank you for that he committed to honor
1:58a deal done by his predecessor that no
2:02no doubt or he would say that he would
2:05not have done himself but he he he
2:08committed to stick to the deal that
2:10President Obama done

 

[Winter_123]

And another thing, the Australia thing. When was the last time the us got into a major conflict without Australia fighting along side us. Trump treating the Australians with disrespect and belligerence was way out of line. They're really great allies.

Heh, as with many other issues, you libs are suddenly "born again" on many issues that were of absolutely no concern to you when the pro-enemy *** Obama was president.

Little did the Brits and Israelis and others know that you and your ilk were feeling such pain about our allies. Including the Aussies.

Blog: Major blowback from Obama's insult to Australia at the G20 in Brisbane





"Obama announced that he will visit Indonesia this fall but not Australia." Yup, that's the Obama we all know. Go where the muslims are first even if you are in the neighborhood. Visiting Cairo? A great chance to visit Israel too. Or not.

https://spectator.org/38853_now-obama-offends-australia/

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[AgentOrange]

^ give me a break. not on the same level at all.

 

[Winter_123]

^ give me a break. not on the same level at all.

Okay, well let me give you a different way of looking at it- one that absolutely would never occur to your ilk.

Perhaps if there is a rift between the American president and the Australian prime minister, then perhaps it is time for Turnbull to go given his lack of popularity at home. You may not be thinking about it but a lot of Aussies are.

So try that one on for size White Boy. They know that deal they worked when we had a retarded president was an attempt to put one over on us. All the aussies know that. So maybe they need to change their conduct and start worrying about insulting us.

Also, even though Australia is an ally, I do not support their longterm treatment and abuse of the refugees on the islands. They need to stop lecturing us on human rights and refugee rights and take care of those folks or work with the UN to find a home for them. I dont support bringing some refugees here but should they arrive on our soil, in no way do I support imprisoning and abusing the population for years as they continue to do.

Keep in mind that the US never agreed to take any of those refugees and the Aussies have admitted that. We only agreed to consider taking them- per the language of the agreement- but Turnbull assumed more than that based on his kissy-faced relationship with Obama.



from the article:
This presidential shunning opresents the PM with a real problem. What to do with the people he is imprisoning on Manus Island and Nauru if the U.S. backs out of its agreement either upfront or, more likely, by the backdoor, using extreme vetting as the excuse to reject all or most of them?

Turnbull is already "on the nose" with many Australians. The abusive phone call he had from Trump is likely to send the stinkometer to new levels.
https://independentaustralia.net/po...colm-trumble-turnbulls-mounting-troubles,9997

 

[Robert Barney]

Keep in mind that the US never agreed to take any of those refugees and the Aussies have admitted that. We only agreed to consider taking them- per the language of the agreement- but Turnbull assumed more than that based on his kissy-faced relationship with Obama.

Yeah, but let's admit it, Obama wanted them.

The Democrats will take any new members for the Democrat party, no matter where they come from:

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